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Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global [W:478]

Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Verax said:
Putting down ignorant claims based on nonsense is not debate, it is debunking garbage. If I ran around these forums claiming the sun is green should others respect my opinion and hold it dear? Of course not. Like your failed predecessors you deal in bs, ignorance, and lack of critical thinking skills.
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Instead of that, why not just produce the accurate climate prediction based on AGW science from 30 years ago. Or more. Arhennious published in about 1900. There may be accurate predictions older that that.

You are free to proceed.

At some point, the results need to be examined.
 
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code1211 said:
So what he said is exactly what AGW Science says?
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LoL WAT? Did you read what I said? He said what I said he says. If you're not sure, read it again. If you're still not sure... maybe this isn't your forte.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Verax said:
So much is wrong here it blows my mind.

The fact that you used Dyson as evidence of AGW being a myth shows you don't have the slightest clue what he says. Again, don't read right wing propaganda sites or you end up looking like a fool as you have here.

We could transition away from fossil fuels if you people would stop sabotaging the process, like you are now.

We have replacements but again, you fight them with every waking breath because you're a conservative and you're terrified of anything new.

Centuries? It would be an exaggeration to say a century. By the time I'm dying the world could be in a truly bad spot, my children could be screwed by this.

Fear? Oh please. This coming from the guy that says the worldwide scientific community is conspiring to trick everyone so that they can steal their money to feed the progressive milk machine. We don't need fear, we need policy and action to tackle the problem. If you're terrified its again because you're a "wet your pants scared" conservative.

Oh yeah there's that fear... we're trying to control you.... woooooh whoooooooHHHH ooooooH i'm coming to get you mac. I'm coming for your wallet.
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So many words and not a single reference or fact included.

Amazing avoidance of anything solid.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Verax said:
I didn't watch those documentaries and haven't a clue what they said. I based my response on what you said. You admit that you know nothing of science so perhaps the problem lies in the translator. Everything you said was pop nonsense, where you got it from doesn't matter.

Discount the burning ball in the sky huh? Well gee... if we did that there wouldn't be any warming, or energy at all other than heat energy from gravitational forces squeezing down on the core of the earth... so I'm pretty sure they've accounted for the sun, lmao. This is why you should research what you're talking about first.

Every last aspect of climate change has not been figured out, no, and it never will be. In every scientific field we are learning more and more each day. What we've learned about climate change so far is more than enough to spur policy change. Until further notice there's no good reason to do otherwise.
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Don't know what's causing it, don't know how to change it, but we better get started on stopping it. Whatever it is.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

code1211 said:
Instead of that, why not just produce the accurate climate prediction based on AGW science from 30 years ago. Or more. Arhennious published in about 1900. There may be accurate predictions older that that.

You are free to proceed.

At some point, the results need to be examined.
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No, we're not playing your game where you assign me homework while you pick your nose. You take a look at the models yourself and come back with criticisms of them if you like.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

code1211 said:
So many words and not a single reference or fact included.

Amazing avoidance of anything solid.
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This is basic knowledge, again it is not my job to play teacher for you. Why don't you research what I'm saying and if you think something is wrong take your best shot pal.
 
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code1211 said:
Don't know what's causing it, don't know how to change it, but we better get started on stopping it. Whatever it is.
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LoL, your ignorance is breath taking. Just because you don't know any of those things doesn't mean nobody else does either.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Lord of Planar said:
Can you?

That was a Reagan quote. Not Dyson.

"As he said" Dyson was speaking of Regan's words.
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I'm not perfect, so lets look at. I'll remove the words in () so we can see it better:

But Dyson's purpose seems to be to throw out "heretical" ideas that can then spur further debate. As he said: "I know a lot about nuclear weapons and nothing about climate change."

News Blog: Freeman Dyson and the irresistible urge to be contrary about climate change

It doesn't seem like a misreading to me. The pronoun should not refer to anything in the (), so it should refer to Dyson. Do you have other information?
 
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code1211 said:
Don't know what's causing it, don't know how to change it, but we better get started on stopping it. Whatever it is.
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and whatever it is...we better do it NOW!!!!!!!!
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

code1211 said:
IF it's true? I thought you were saying that it definitely is a fact and that there is no room for doubt of any type for any reason at any time by any person.

IF is not a word you are prone to use in this discussion.

It's as accepted as the LAW of Gravity? You need to review your scientific terms.

Is there anything you don't know?
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I use that because I linked something for that said just that. ;)
 
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j-mac said:
KABOOM!!!

Someone has a red face about now....:lamo
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After everything that's been said in this thread, you think THIS will cause embarrassment?
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

OscarB63 said:
given the sheer volume of data and material printed on global warming...I find that hard to believe....unless, of course, you have a very narrow definition of "relevant"
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Ok then, climate change 101, the AR4. Many Wikipedia pages. A few dozen miscellaneous articles on various hot topics, including things skeptics focus on like the lull in warming, various competing possibilities.

No I didn't read EVERYTHING, my job is not as a climate scientist.

More importantly, have you read ANYTHING? Ever? A single page of climate related science? Or just right-wing headlines "climate change hoax Al Gore OMG! Progressive thieves!".
 
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Verax said:
Yes, nothing can be proven. It is possible that gravity just hasn't been proven wrong, yet.

Do not confuse this with the likelihood that gravity is correct. Gravity is a fact because it is easily observed as true by any competent person. Again this doesn't "prove" it 100% We call things true, correct, a fact because of their track record, not because it is impossible to prove them wrong.
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It is certain that AGW has been proven wrong already.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

code1211 said:
After everything that's been said in this thread, you think THIS will cause embarrassment?
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Like you, he's hoping. You guys just can't see yourselves.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Verax said:
Ok then, climate change 101, the AR4. Many Wikipedia pages. A few dozen miscellaneous articles on various hot topics, including things skeptics focus on like the lull in warming, various competing possibilities.

No I didn't read EVERYTHING, my job is not as a climate scientist.

More importantly, have you read ANYTHING? Ever? A single page of climate related science? Or just right-wing headlines "climate change hoax Al Gore OMG! Progressive thieves!".
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don't get mad at me for pointing out your ridiculous claim. I would wager that I have read more "relevant" material than you. I took a couple of courses in Environmental chemistry in grad school and a couple of courses in meteorology in undergrad. I have also conducted research in how different climates affect dispersal of chemical warfare agents from aerial explosions.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Verax said:
The absolute most rudimentary research on climate change would net you answers to > 90% of the questions you ask on here. Your willful ignorance is not the responsibility of everyone else.

Scientific opinion on climate change - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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I'm still not seeing the survey. Dyson was pretty clear that there is some contribution by man to warming. I would be in that same group with him.

He says that the panic is not justified. Again, I'm with him. While we would both answer the "is man contributing to warming" question with a yes, the amount of that contribution is so slight that no action is required to stop it. No action is possible to stop the warming since the bulk of the warming is not due to anthropogenic forcings.

The consensus you claim exists is not well defined and not well explained and the the intensity of the agreement is not measured. I suspect this is more by intention than omission.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

code1211 said:
I'm still not seeing the survey. Dyson was pretty clear that there is some contribution by man to warming. I would be in that same group with him.

He says that the panic is not justified. Again, I'm with him. While we would both answer the "is man contributing to warming" question with a yes, the amount of that contribution is so slight that no action is required to stop it. No action is possible to stop the warming since the bulk of the warming is not due to anthropogenic forcings.

The consensus you claim exists is not well defined and not well explained and the the intensity of the agreement is not measured. I suspect this is more by intention than omission.
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Then state a panic isn't justified, and not that man doesn't play a role. You waste a lot if time arguing what you agree with if you accept man plays a role. Though, I really don't know any panicking. Suggesting we look for alternative energy sources isn't panic, but rather logical thinking.
 
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Verax said:
Soon after I first started "debating" climate change on here I went and read all the relevant materials cover to cover. Why don't you do the same then come back. Start here.

IPCC - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

Read the AR4 synthesis at a bare minimum.
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This is the one in which the scientists predict that the climate will rise in a range between 0.3 degrees and 6.4 degrees? Seriously?

This includes a range from .4% to 100%. How far out on the limb do you think they were to achieve this prediction?

I could make that prediction but would be embarrassed to do so.

Projections of Future Changes in Climate - AR4 WGI Summary for Policymakers
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

OscarB63 said:
don't get mad at me for pointing out your ridiculous claim. I would wager that I have read more "relevant" material than you. I took a couple of courses in Environmental chemistry in grad school and a couple of courses in meteorology in undergrad. I have also conducted research in how different climates affect dispersal of chemical warfare agents from aerial explosions.
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Not mad... but why would you think "relevant" meant that I was claiming that I have read every document ever published on climate change? Common sense would tell you that I was referring to the foundational material that can be browsed in a few days.

You've taken these courses and you know about science, yet you buddy with code and like all of his posts? The guy emits anti-science nonsense. This makes little sense.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Verax said:
Not mad... but why would you think "relevant" meant that I was claiming that I have read every document ever published on climate change? Common sense would tell you that I was referring to the foundational material that can be browsed in a few days.
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why? because you claimed to have read "from cover to cover" ALL the relevant data.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

code1211 said:
I'm still not seeing the survey. Dyson was pretty clear that there is some contribution by man to warming. I would be in that same group with him.

He says that the panic is not justified. Again, I'm with him. While we would both answer the "is man contributing to warming" question with a yes, the amount of that contribution is so slight that no action is required to stop it. No action is possible to stop the warming since the bulk of the warming is not due to anthropogenic forcings.

The consensus you claim exists is not well defined and not well explained and the the intensity of the agreement is not measured. I suspect this is more by intention than omission.
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How can you read that link and come away with this conclusion? What kind of madness goes on in your head??? I am absolutely shocked, what is wrong with you? The first paragraph lays it all out. There are 125 cited sources. What else could you possibly need to make the connection?
 
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Verax said:
No, we're not playing your game where you assign me homework while you pick your nose. You take a look at the models yourself and come back with criticisms of them if you like.
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That's every thread. If you do his homework, he whines about it not being good enough anyway.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

code1211 said:
This is the one in which the scientists predict that the climate will rise in a range between 0.3 degrees and 6.4 degrees? Seriously?

This includes a range from .4% to 100%. How far out on the limb do you think they were to achieve this prediction?

I could make that prediction but would be embarrassed to do so.

Projections of Future Changes in Climate - AR4 WGI Summary for Policymakers
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The estimate is a range. If you understood statistics you would see that the extremes are very unlikely however possible. Flip a coin 10 times, there is a chance you will get an extreme scenario in which 8 are heads and 2 are tails, however it is unlikely. You will likely get between 4-6 heads and tails. They also give the "likely" estimate which has a much smaller range.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

code1211 said:
It is certain that AGW has been proven wrong already.
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Feel free to let us all in on this secret. :roll:
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

OscarB63 said:
why? because you claimed to have read "from cover to cover" ALL the relevant data.
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Jesus Christ, you're just like Code. You turn everything into a mind numbing assault on sensibilities. Now we have to define the meaning of relevant because you have a quibble.

Definition of RELEVANT
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a : having significant and demonstrable bearing on the matter at hand

Did you really think relevant meant EVERYTHING ever published on climate change?

If somebody told you that they were going to rebuild their carburetor in their vehicle, and they had read the "relevant" material to do so. Would you assume they were claiming that they had read every published document on carburetors EVER? Of course you wouldn't you psycho. The **** is wrong with you? lol
 
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