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Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global [W:478]

Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Boo Radley said:
And I have. For the tenth time:

That there is a lot of different scientific evidence that builds a case. You choosing to cherry pick only one brick and ignoring the rest is weak (that's my first claim). Especially when you don't seem to understand even that cherry picked brick.

I linked an article arguing that your side side does just this, and enumerated the list of evidence.

I also claimed that there is a solid scientific consensus on this subject. Linked a few articles to support this.

For good measure, I also linked articles showing various evidence.

Now, my claims are easy to understand. They are well supported. And you have failed to address even one. Feigning ignorance is hardly an effective strategy.
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So your argument is that your mom told you so and that must be the truth.

I am saying that this thing does not exist and the climate record does not support your assertion that it does. By saying there are lots of people getting paid to say this does not make it true. This is a notion that is not supported by actual real world proof.

It requires only one "brick" of doubt to doubt and I have several.

To doubt the existence of things like AGW or UFO's, one need only look for the solid proof. I only want you to present it. Doubt does not require anything more than one little crack in the wall of proof. The case for AGW doesn't have enough proof to make a wall to have a crack.

You can start with this: If CO2 is the prime driver of climate and if more CO2 will always create higher temperatures, why do they not create higher temperatures than ever before right now? We have only recently warmed to a point of warming prevalent about 5000 years ago. We have vacillated in the Holocene within about a 2 degree range of temperature and we are right now just about in the middle. If you notion was real in the real world, we would be at the highest point of temperature in the Holocene. We are not.

It is your side that Cherry picks and it is only through Cherry picking that your little house of cards can stand.

If you have a case, then use it and eliminate my doubts.


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Papa bull said:
Now that we all agree that even the UN realizes that the "global warming" is actually just the result of solar activity, can we all go back to arguing about more important things like reducing the size of the federal government?
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You and your ilk may have agreed. The science shows the opposite.
 
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Manc Skipper said:
You and your ilk may have agreed. The science shows the opposite.
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How many decades of "plateau" is it going to take before you warmists can agree you're wrong. Or are you all going to go to your grave swearing up and down that one of these days there will be the 2nd coming of global warming?
 
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code1211 said:
So your argument is that your mom told you so and that must be the truth.

I am saying that this thing does not exist and the climate record does not support your assertion that it does. By saying there are lots of people getting paid to say this does not make it true. This is a notion that is not supported by actual real world proof.

It requires only one "brick" of doubt to doubt and I have several.

To doubt the existence of things like AGW or UFO's, one need only look for the solid proof. I only want you to present it. Doubt does not require anything more than one little crack in the wall of proof. The case for AGW doesn't have enough proof to make a wall to have a crack.

You can start with this: If CO2 is the prime driver of climate and if more CO2 will always create higher temperatures, why do they not create higher temperatures than ever before right now? We have only recently warmed to a point of warming prevalent about 5000 years ago. We have vacillated in the Holocene within about a 2 degree range of temperature and we are right now just about in the middle. If you notion was real in the real world, we would be at the highest point of temperature in the Holocene. We are not.

It is your side that Cherry picks and it is only through Cherry picking that your little house of cards can stand.

If you have a case, then use it and eliminate my doubts.


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No, that is not argument. However, unlike you, I seek the best information available. However the evidence shakes out is where I lean until new evidence either confirms or disputes. I'm not so set in what I think to ignore new information. My Robles with you s that you ave nit really given any new information at all, let alone something that disputes the prevailing view. Even what little you have presented, and this has been explained to you by there's, fails to dispute anything.
 
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Boo Radley said:
No, that is not argument. However, unlike you, I seek the best information available. However the evidence shakes out is where I lean until new evidence either confirms or disputes. I'm not so set in what I think to ignore new information. My Robles with you s that you ave nit really given any new information at all, let alone something that disputes the prevailing view. Even what little you have presented, and this has been explained to you by there's, fails to dispute anything.
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Why is the warming of today not warmer than the warming of 8000 years ago?

Why is the pace of the warming not accelerated vs the warming of the 200 years that preceded the industrial Revolution?

Why has the warming over the last 2000 years been only 0.7 degrees?

Why are we currently cooling?

These are all questions that undermine your belief. You have presented no arguments to explain these facts in the terms of AGW Science.

You are free to proceed.
 
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Manc Skipper said:
You and your ilk may have agreed. The science shows the opposite.
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The science that you set, like you, talks about how the science is settled byt references the world of models and postures with predictions of dire consequence.

Would you please present some of that science as it is reflected by real world climate events and data?
 
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code1211 said:
Why is the warming of today not warmer than the warming of 8000 years ago?

Why is the pace of the warming not accelerated vs the warming of the 200 years that preceded the industrial Revolution?

Why has the warming over the last 2000 years been only 0.7 degrees?

Why are we currently cooling?

These are all questions that undermine your belief. You have presented no arguments to explain these facts in the terms of AGW Science.

You are free to proceed.
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The pace is excel learned. Read what I linked.

What seem like small percentages are actually significant. Of course, we have to assume your number is correct. But again, I linked accurate information should you want to double check.

We're not cooling. The line always has a sig zag to it. Look at your on chart.

You have your facts wrong.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Boo Radley said:
The pace is excel learned. Read what I linked.

What seem like small percentages are actually significant. Of course, we have to assume your number is correct. But again, I linked accurate information should you want to double check.

We're not cooling. The line always has a sig zag to it. Look at your on chart.

You have your facts wrong.
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Please present the correct facts and not as a part of a blind link. Make your case.
 
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code1211 said:
Please present the correct facts and not as a part of a blind link. Make your case.
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My case is quite simple: there are numerous studies, using different methods and measures, backed by the overwhelming majority of scientific community. As a no scientist, as most are, we can only act on best evidence. Unless you can show something I refuted (and others have completely refuted your chart evidence), none if us ignore the science and act on our feelings or what we want to be true. Best evidence should rule the date.
 
UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warming

Boo Radley said:
My case is quite simple: there are numerous studies, using different methods and measures, backed by the overwhelming majority of scientific community. As a no scientist, as most are, we can only act on best evidence. Unless you can show something I refuted (and others have completely refuted your chart evidence), none if us ignore the science and act on our feelings or what we want to be true. Best evidence should rule the date.
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That would only be so if your proclaimed science hadn't been caught skewing data to fit the political agenda.
 
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j-mac said:
That would only be so if your proclaimed science hadn't been caught skewing data to fit the political agenda.
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No, that was overhyped and misrepresented by your side. That too has repeatedly been shown to you.
 
UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warming

Boo Radley said:
No, that was overhyped and misrepresented by your side. That too has repeatedly been shown to you.
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"Overhyped"? :lol: that's like saying they only cheated a little.....it's political hype your zealots are engaged in.
 
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j-mac said:
"Overhyped"? :lol: that's like saying they only cheated a little.....it's political hype your zealots are engaged in.
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Similar to the majority of the conservative platform it had no basis in reality but was an excellent propaganda product.
 
UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warming

Verax said:
Similar to the majority of the conservative platform it had no basis in reality but was an excellent propaganda product.
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Well, as long as you say so, well it must be so....*sarcasm off*
 
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j-mac said:
"Overhyped"? :lol: that's like saying they only cheated a little.....it's political hype your zealots are engaged in.
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No. It's saying it wasn't what you claimed it to be.
 
UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warming

Boo Radley said:
No. It's saying it wasn't what you claimed it to be.
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You've already lost the argument, and now as usual, you'll refuse to accept that. Well, have fun with that on your own.
 
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j-mac said:
You've already lost the argument, and now as usual, you'll refuse to accept that. Well, have fun with that on your own.
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J, this is not new, and you have to know that it was misrepresented. You did read something other than American NonThinker, didn't you?
 
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j-mac said:
You've already lost the argument, and now as usual, you'll refuse to accept that. Well, have fun with that on your own.
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Let me give you a little help:

We find such claims to be far wide of the mark. The e-mails (which have been made available by an unidentified individual here) do show a few scientists talking frankly among themselves — sometimes being rude, dismissive, insular, or even behaving like jerks. Whether they show anything beyond that is still in doubt. An investigation is being conducted by East Anglia University, and the head of CRU, Phil Jones, has "stepped aside" until it is completed. However, many of the e-mails that are being held up as "smoking guns" have been misrepresented by global-warming skeptics eager to find evidence of a conspiracy. And even if they showed what the critics claim, there remains ample evidence that the earth is getting warmer.

“Climategate”


"In essence, the review found no evidence to support any of the vociferous claims by climate change deniers that challenge the honesty, rigor and professionalism of the CRU scientists," said Will Steffen, executive director of the ANU Climate Change Institute in Canberra, Australia.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/07/08/us-climate-emails-idUSTRE6671D120100708


I know the truth doesn't mean much, but you weak exit suggests you already knew about this.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Boo Radley said:
My case is quite simple: there are numerous studies, using different methods and measures, backed by the overwhelming majority of scientific community. As a no scientist, as most are, we can only act on best evidence. Unless you can show something I refuted (and others have completely refuted your chart evidence), none if us ignore the science and act on our feelings or what we want to be true. Best evidence should rule the date.
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Can you please highlight the parts of this post the have any meaning whatsoever?

You still have not presented a particular piece of evidence and said why it is pertinent to your case.

You are free to do so.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

code1211 said:
Can you please highlight the parts of this post the have any meaning whatsoever?

You still have not presented a particular piece of evidence and said why it is pertinent to your case.

You are free to do so.
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Yes I have. Each link specific evidence. You're just trying to find a way to dance round it.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Yes I have. Each link specific evidence. You're just trying to find a way to dance round it.
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I'm just trying to have you show it.

The only one dancing around this is you.

If you have a case, make it.

So far the only thing you've done is talk about the evidence that you seem unable to present.
 
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OscarB63 said:
exactly... or it was cold outside yesterday, but it was because global warming somewhere else forced the colder air to come to your area.
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I bet it was that frigging Canada! :mad:
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

code1211 said:
I'm just trying to have you show it.

The only one dancing around this is you.

If you have a case, make it.

So far the only thing you've done is talk about the evidence that you seem unable to present.
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Look, providing the evidence is showing it. :roll:
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

code1211 said:
I'm just trying to have you show it.

The only one dancing around this is you.

If you have a case, make it.

So far the only thing you've done is talk about the evidence that you seem unable to present.
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Do you want a special invitation and a cookie? It is exactly three posts above your remark. Read it.

The links directly address the issue he was talking about. Are you so wilfully ignorant or bullheaded to claim that the plate set before you does not exist?
 
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Boo Radley said:
Look, providing the evidence is showing it. :roll:
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If you don't want to present your proof, that is alright.

I just don't understand why you are posting if you refuse to post the information that you seem to think is important.

Your choice.
 
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