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Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global [W:478]

Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Mr.Nick said:
It's amazing how there is 23 pages of bickering over the notion that the sun heats the earth.

Using the progressive logic all our pollution should reflect the sun - which was what was initially proposed back in the 70's - it was called "global cooling." Of course now it's AGW, I mean "climate change".....

It's quite obvious man cannot live without the prospect of impending doom... The conspiracy would be great if it didn't affect my life.

Now back to your scheduled programming....
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Only the right-wingers are bickering over the notion. Nobody has ever argued that the sun has no effect on climate. Global cooling was never a majority opinion, even in the 1970s. What you are remembering (or were just told about) was a fabrication of the media: the idea that an ice age was imminent.

Your gross mischaracterization of the argument displays a profound ignorance of the actual debate.
 
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Deuce said:
Only the right-wingers are bickering over the notion. Nobody has ever argued that the sun has no effect on climate. Global cooling was never a majority opinion, even in the 1970s. What you are remembering (or were just told about) was a fabrication of the media: the idea that an ice age was imminent.

Your gross mischaracterization of the argument displays a profound ignorance of the actual debate.
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Don't let the fact that books were published on "global cooling" not to mention "studies."

I don't concoct these ideas..... Denying the notion that the idea was popular 30-40 years ago does nothing but get me warned by mods for saying "bad things" in a blunt fashion aka the truth.
 
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Grant said:
As far as irony is concerned, yes. Otherwise they mostly keep on taking.
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Irony?

I bet progressives are the biggest consumers in the US, well and those they support.

Progressives are generally hypocrites....
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Deuce said:
Only the right-wingers are bickering over the notion. Nobody has ever argued that the sun has no effect on climate. Global cooling was never a majority opinion, even in the 1970s. What you are remembering (or were just told about) was a fabrication of the media: the idea that an ice age was imminent.

Your gross mischaracterization of the argument displays a profound ignorance of the actual debate.
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Perhaps the question is why there is a debate.

The doom and gloomers have been around forever and yet, paradoxically, things continue to get better. So far.

The best known doom and gloom hoaxer in modern times, the one who started it all, was probably Paul Ehrlich. Al Gore only picked up where he left off, though coming up with his own version of the same scam. Ehrlich is still around, btw.

Paul Ehrlich still prophesying doom, and still wrong – Telegraph Blogs
 
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Grant said:
Perhaps the question is why there is a debate.

The doom and gloomers have been around forever and yet, paradoxically, things continue to get better. So far.

The best known doom and gloom hoaxer in modern times, the one who started it all, was probably Paul Ehrlich. Al Gore only picked up where he left off, though coming up with his own version of the same scam. Ehrlich is still around, btw.

Paul Ehrlich still prophesying doom, and still wrong – Telegraph Blogs
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These people aren't concerned about earth - they're concerned about themselves. If earth dies they die and they're terrified of their mortality. They don't have empathy for anyone but themselves - in short the media is telling them if they don't buy a green bag and recycle they will die.... It's typical scare tactics - propaganda. Hitler said the same crap, yet some call me a "Hitler" for giving them the business (or having an opinion) on their screwed up fears.

Those that are afraid are always accusing others of being afraid...

It's amazing how full of fear progressives are........
 
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Mr.Nick said:
Don't let the fact that books were published on "global cooling" not to mention "studies."

I don't concoct these ideas..... Denying the notion that the idea was popular 30-40 years ago does nothing but get me warned by mods for saying "bad things" in a blunt fashion aka the truth.
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Nobody said the idea didn't exist. I said it wasn't a majority opinion. You understand the difference, right?

The idea was only popular in the media.

Also, an "imminent ice age" is not the same thing as "global cooling."

Does that help you? In the early stages of climate research, there was some question as to which was more powerful: the "global dimming" effect of pollutants reflecting sunlight back out to space, or the enhancement of the greenhouse effect from the emission of additional greenhouse gases. So yes, both opinions existed. But the "cooling" side was always a minority and as research progressed the case for warming proved stronger.

Science progresses, dude. Somebody used to think the world was flat, but this isn't evidence that anybody today is wrong about the world's roundness.
 
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Deuce said:
Nobody said the idea didn't exist. I said it wasn't a majority opinion. You understand the difference, right?

The idea was only popular in the media.

Also, an "imminent ice age" is not the same thing as "global cooling."

Does that help you? In the early stages of climate research, there was some question as to which was more powerful: the "global dimming" effect of pollutants reflecting sunlight back out to space, or the enhancement of the greenhouse effect from the emission of additional greenhouse gases. So yes, both opinions existed. But the "cooling" side was always a minority and as research progressed the case for warming proved stronger.

Science progresses, dude. Somebody used to think the world was flat, but this isn't evidence that anybody today is wrong about the world's roundness.
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No one ever thought the earth was flat..... Since documented history we have always known the earth was "round." Pythagoras knew this and it was a theory before that was proven as fact.

There is absolutely ZERO evidence of AGW..... Of course the climate changes, however to imply humans are responsible is a wild speculation.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Mr.Nick said:
No one ever thought the earth was flat..... Since documented history we have always known the earth was "round." Pythagoras knew this and it was a theory before that was proven as fact.

There is absolutely ZERO evidence of AGW..... Of course the climate changes, however to imply humans are responsible is a wild speculation.
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Zero evidence. :lamo

So the folks doing all that research have really just been fabricating the whole thing. Wow, that's a relief. Thanks Mr.Nick.
 
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Oh ****! Somebody tell the US Air Force that CO2 doesn't absorb longwave infrared radiation. The underlying physics behind their heat-seeking missiles is all a hoax.
 
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Deuce said:
Zero evidence. :lamo

So the folks doing all that research have really just been fabricating the whole thing. Wow, that's a relief. Thanks Mr.Nick.
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You may as well blame aging on humans next.....

Like the climate will really stay the same? I suppose thats what the AGW crowed expects to happen. In their minds the climate has been the same and humans disrupted the "same" instead of a natural process that occurs ever 20,000-100,000 years or so, oh yeah all of this in spite of the geological record that shows us - and without question - this has happened at least 20 times....

Now it's humans fault?
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Mr.Nick said:
These people aren't concerned about earth - they're concerned about themselves. If earth dies they die and they're terrified of their mortality. They don't have empathy for anyone but themselves - in short the media is telling them if they don't buy a green bag and recycle they will die.... It's typical scare tactics - propaganda. Hitler said the same crap, yet some call me a "Hitler" for giving them the business (or having an opinion) on their screwed up fears.

Those that are afraid are always accusing others of being afraid...

It's amazing how full of fear progressives are........
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Their followers are certainly fearful, that's certain, and is why they've come to rely on the government to look after their needs.

But I'm not so sure about their leaders. I doubt Al Gore is ever afraid. He will get in front of a large audience, pretend he cares about 'the planet', pick up his $250,000 speaking fee (or whatever it might be) and then takes off in his jet for the next gig. This takes guts!

And the same with Obama. He lies like Gore and knows he is lying, but his followers continue to follow because the alternative, a leader who will spend more time looking after the economy then their personal care, is too hard for them to bear.

I don't think these men, among many others, are cowards at all. They are just political opportunists who know and understand their audience.
 
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The truth is progressives hate humanity, and they will use any and every excuse to degrade humanity...

That is the whole point of this AGW nonsense.... A rat has the right to life but a baby doesn't and neither do I.

Ohhhh I get it....

Of course they will attempt to turn such blunt crap into philosophy and interchange their words to make such nonsense seem intellectual but at the end of the day a rat is worth more than your life because we will all drown if we don't give up our civil liberties in the name of humanity. If have 4 kids instead of one I'm killing your kids, If I use plastic I'm killing you, if I roast a pig I'm killing you, if I fart I'm killing you.....

So if I fart I'm killing Polar Bears???

Maybe people should just explode? you know - to save polar ice.
 
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Grant said:
Their followers are certainly fearful, that's certain, and is why they've come to rely on the government to look after their needs.

But I'm not so sure about their leaders. I doubt Al Gore is ever afraid. He will get in front of a large audience, pretend he cares about 'the planet', pick up his $250,000 speaking fee (or whatever it might be) and then takes off in his jet for the next gig. This takes guts!

And the same with Obama. He lies like Gore and knows he is lying, but his followers continue to follow because the alternative, a leader who will spend more time looking after the economy then their personal care, is too hard for them to bear.

I don't think these men, among many others, are cowards at all. They are just political opportunists who know and understand their audience.
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They're cowards..... They don't know the first thing about being a man/woman...

They let others do their bidding - I would be shocked if they couldn't make a sandwich for themselves.

These same clowns demonize fast food but I bet they're their biggest customers... Obama cant throw a baseball you think he can work a knife without cutting his finger off?

Most politicians are losers when it comes to everyday self-stability....
 
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Hell, republicans want to withhold pay to the House and Senate and Nanny State Nancy Pelosi is claiming that "un-dignifies" congress members..... Really?? how so? shes worth about $40,000,000, constantly complains about the rich but really needs her taxpayer funded 150k in which she will put it in her penny jar and pat herself on the head?

Pelosi is a perfect example of what's wrong with the United States.

Oh, but AGW, what a travesty. big mamma to 300,000,000 US citizens dictating their lives all in the name of some conspiracy theory.

Maybe when/if I'm old she can come over and wipe my ass for me to show how she cares about indigent old folks... Maybe Algore can come too.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

The draft of a U.N. climate change report due to be published in 2014 has been leaked, and it shows that the four temperature models the U.N. used from 1990 to 2012 vastly overestimated the warming of the earth during that time.

U.N. Report Says Global Warming Predictions Overstated Problem
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Hmmm, wonder why we haven't heard about this in the MSM?

John Coleman, the founder of The Weather Channel, and various other critics have called the theory that human use of carbon-based fossil fuels will lead to catastrophic global warming or climate change a “hoax.” It is, but it’s more than that, it’s criminal.

Climate Change: 'Hoax' Or Crime Of The Century? - Forbes
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Or this....



Cap and trade is the tax that dare not speak its name, and Democrats are hoping in particular that no one notices who would pay for their climate ambitions. With President Obama depending on vast new carbon revenues in his budget and Congress promising a bill by May, perhaps Americans would like to know the deeply unequal ways that climate costs would be distributed across regions and income groups.

Barack Obama's Cap and Trade Program Is a Tax on the Working Class - WSJ.com
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Thank God the Chicago climate exchange failed....It is a tax redistribution scheme plain and simple.
 
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Deuce said:
I'm going to stop you right there.

No it isn't. Literally nobody has ever argued that. Until you can grasp this concept, there's no point to this discussion because you aren't being honest. You're just sticking your head in the sand and completely ignoring the decades of work and billions of dollars spent on analyzing all sorts of other influences on climate.

Why? Why are you doing that?
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Please tell me what the stated cause of Anthropogenic Global Warming is.
 
Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

Mr.Nick said:
You may as well blame aging on humans next.....

Like the climate will really stay the same? I suppose thats what the AGW crowed expects to happen. In their minds the climate has been the same and humans disrupted the "same" instead of a natural process that occurs ever 20,000-100,000 years or so, oh yeah all of this in spite of the geological record that shows us - and without question - this has happened at least 20 times....

Now it's humans fault?
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Climate does change naturally. Nobody has ever said otherwise. However, you seem to either be under the impression that they are saying that. Either that, or you're under the impression that the fact that climate changes naturally means there's some magical barrier of physics that means humans cannot also have an influence.

Is that the case? Can you clarify?
 
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code1211 said:
Please tell me what the stated cause of Anthropogenic Global Warming is.
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Anthropogenic Global Warming and natural variability are not mutually exclusive, and nobody has ever suggested that they are. (well, except perhaps some of the wackier "skeptics") Perhaps this will clear up the confusion for you. Humans can be causing a change in climate variables simultaneously with changes in natural variables.
 
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Incidentally, CO2 isn't the only variables humans have influence on. There's also changes in albedo from particulates and soot, or land use changes. And the other greenhouse gases like methane.
 
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donsutherland1 said:
The blogger took the draft report out of context. That report states that some argue for a mechanism that amplifies solar forcing (a natural factor). However, subsequent paragraphs discount that hypothesis. The closing paragraph of that section of Chapter 7 states:

Although there is some evidence that ionization from cosmic rays may enhance aerosol nucleation in the free troposphere, there is medium evidence and high agreement that he cosmic ray-ionization mechanism is too weak to influence global concentrations CCN or their change over the last century or during a solar cycle in any climatically significant way. The lack of trend in the cosmic ray intensity over the last 50 years provides another strong argument agains the hypothesis of a major contribution of cosmic rays to ongoing climate change.

The draft document also notes in its summary for policymakers, "No robust association between changes in cosmic rays and cloudiness has been identified."

In other words, once one reads the draft report's language in its full context, there is no "game-changing admission of enhanced solar forcing." The report does not reflect reduced confidence in AGW.
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This happens so many times. So many.
 
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j-mac said:
Well, surprise, surprise....Warming is caused by the sun.....Who'd have thunk it?.....:mrgreen:

So the question is, why would an international body like the UN be pushing so hard for man made climate change? The answer is in what few know about, called agenda 21.



So you all tell me. I know that those willing, or wanting to mask the "ends" that they are for will attack me for using the Blaze as a source for the secondary piece, but agenda 21 is there for all to read...

Agenda 21 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Read it, and do your own research, but this is probably the clearest sign that the UN is a dangerous to freedom, and needs to be dismantled.
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It just needs to be moved to France. And we need to stay here with our dollars.
 
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Erod said:
Man-made global warming, Y2K, Swine Flu, the Mayan calendar, AIDS killing all heterosexuals, SARS, killer bees......

The same people fall for the same crap every time.

I still want to know what caused the man-made global warming in the dark ages.
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Maybe it was all that "dark". Dark absorbs the sun's rays and heats up warming the whole planet.

Things are so much easier to understand when they are explained scientifically.
 
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Deuce said:
Anthropogenic Global Warming and natural variability are not mutually exclusive, and nobody has ever suggested that they are. (well, except perhaps some of the wackier "skeptics") Perhaps this will clear up the confusion for you. Humans can be causing a change in climate variables simultaneously with changes in natural variables.
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Can that theory be duplicated in controlled experiments, by a range of other scientists? Your insertion that those scientists that are at the least skeptical, and at the most debunking the theory of AGW, are "whacky" or any other derogatory terminology designed to denigrate dissent are indicators that the science is not science but politics.
 
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j-mac said:
Can that theory be duplicated in controlled experiments, by a range of other scientists? Your insertion that those scientists that are at the least skeptical, and at the most debunking the theory of AGW, are "whacky" or any other derogatory terminology designed to denigrate dissent are indicators that the science is not science but politics.
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I'll clarify, because you misunderstand. The whacky person is the one who thinks "climate changes naturally" automatically prevents humans from influencing climate. Nobody sane thinks that. Similarly, nobody sane thinks climate only changes from human activity, and this has never, ever been the argument of AGW proponents.
 
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Deuce said:
I'll clarify, because you misunderstand. The whacky person is the one who thinks "climate changes naturally" automatically prevents humans from influencing climate. Nobody sane thinks that. Similarly, nobody sane thinks climate only changes from human activity, and this has never, ever been the argument of AGW proponents.
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Ok, I understand that, however, in most cases I see, it is any dissent that garners the "whacky" terminology or worse. In any case, there are a significant number of scientists that disagree that man's contribution, what ever that may be, is minute, and further that the earth has ways of controlling these additions. For instance, the eco system in oil seepage into the oceans for example. Oil spills get the headlines, but mother nature seeps millions of tons of oil into the worlds oceans every year, and the ocean deals with it. Now does that mean that we shouldn't worry about our contribution? no, just that this isn't about man's influence, but rather about control of man by government.
 
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