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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    I have presented a scientific paper that says that the incremental green house effect of CO2 diminishes as the incremental concentration of CO2 increases. You have not addressed this. Please present even one scientific source that says that the green house effect of CO2 does not diminish as the concentration increases.

    How about this one:

    http://www.davidarchibald.info/paper...of-Climate.pdf
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    Figure 28: The logarithmic heating effect of carbon dioxide
    Can global warming from increased atmospheric carbon dioxide save us from the coming decline in mid-latitude agricultural production? Not at all. The first thing to be aware of is that the warming effect of carbon dioxide is strongly logarithmic. Of the three degrees that carbon dioxide contributes to the greenhouse effect, the first 20 ppm has a greater effect than the following 400 ppm. By the time we get to the current level of 388 ppm, each 100 ppm increment will produce only about 0.1 degrees of warming.
    If the atmospheric carbon dioxide level continued rising at about 2 ppm per annum, temperature will rise at 0.1C every fifty years. Global warming due to carbon dioxide is real, but it is also minuscule. Carbon dioxide is tuckered out as a greenhouse gas. Very little can be expected of it from here.
    This graph was generated by using the Modtran site maintained by the University of Chicago.
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    The graph referenced is on page 38 of the link. The same on used by Nova and is made by the University of Chicago. JoNova reduces things to very common language.

    The thing about real science is that it it is based on things that work the same way all the time.

    The thing about AGW Science is that it changes whenever the agenda demands it change.

    Excellent! This is the part that turns it from real scientific crisis, to political agenda in one simple explanation....

    "If the atmospheric carbon dioxide level continued rising at about 2 ppm per annum, temperature will rise at 0.1C every fifty years."

    So, this at the very least gives us hundreds of years to find alternatives and make them viable for broad spectrum use. It certainly doesn't match the current administration, or progressive agenda of doing away with our current system of energy without replacement available.
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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    "peer review" is corrupt, and broken...Means little today. But that you think that using logical fallacies is the way to win a debate, or is even an accepted method of proving your point is just plain sad.



    The only true test of this is whether or not it has been proven to be a Scientific Theory after 100 years of trying to do so.

    It has not.

    That the scientists will not make this proclamation says more than all of the politicians in all of the transfer the wealth organizations on the planet begging for cash.
    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Excellent! This is the part that turns it from real scientific crisis, to political agenda in one simple explanation....

    "If the atmospheric carbon dioxide level continued rising at about 2 ppm per annum, temperature will rise at 0.1C every fifty years."

    So, this at the very least gives us hundreds of years to find alternatives and make them viable for broad spectrum use. It certainly doesn't match the current administration, or progressive agenda of doing away with our current system of energy without replacement available.


    My favorite is the not yet released 5th Assessment that predicts a temperature increase over the next century of between 1 and 7 degrees.

    Seriously? 1 and 7 degrees?

    Why not give yourself some wiggle room?
    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Well, we made some progress.

    You say that the falsifiable part of the AGW Science is the models. Turns out they are all false. What falsifiable means is that if the predictions don't work, then the science is false.

    Case Closed. You lose.


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    Quick! Somebody get Obama on the phone. AGW has be debunked! The models are wrong because he says they are and pasted a graph!

    This same person also uses CEO's of oil exploration companies as "scientific" sources that make up phony papers saying high concentrations of Co2 have little effect.


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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Quick! Somebody get Obama on the phone. AGW has be debunked! The models are wrong because he says they are and pasted a graph!

    This same person also uses CEO's of oil exploration companies as "scientific" sources that make up phony papers saying high concentrations of Co2 have little effect.



    Still have no credible responses, do you.

    That's okay. The lack of evidence to present is only because there is none on your side of the argument to rebut this stuff.

    The emoticons are very convincing, though. Presenting an accurate prediction from thirty years ago would be even more convincing.
    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    My favorite is the not yet released 5th Assessment that predicts a temperature increase over the next century of between 1 and 7 degrees.

    Seriously? 1 and 7 degrees?

    Why not give yourself some wiggle room?
    These things more than anything else the AGW cultists are pushing questionably, should be laughed out of the arena. This absolutely shows that pursuing the carbon path is only a giant scheme to steal wealth, and redistribute it.
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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Still have no credible responses, do you.

    That's okay. The lack of evidence to present is only because there is none on your side of the argument to rebut this stuff.

    The emoticons are very convincing, though.
    Common sense is credible. Do you think there is a conflict of interest between the CEO of oil exploration companies writing "research" papers on whether or not Co2 is a problem which effects the future of his companies?

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Common sense is credible. Do you think there is a conflict of interest between the CEO of oil exploration companies writing "research" papers on whether or not Co2 is a problem which effects the future of his companies?
    Not if both sides were being honest about the effects. The problem with an oil representative writing an opinion is in direct proportion to progressive attack on his/her industry, and lively hood. If you could ever separate the science from the political agenda at this point, you'd probably have a more cooperative situation between the two, but in this day and age not likely.
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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not if both sides were being honest about the effects. The problem with an oil representative writing an opinion is in direct proportion to progressive attack on his/her industry, and lively hood. If you could ever separate the science from the political agenda at this point, you'd probably have a more cooperative situation between the two, but in this day and age not likely.
    Oh so he just has to lie to counter "progressive lies"? What if the scientists aren't lying... but he is...

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Oh so he just has to lie to counter "progressive lies"? What if the scientists aren't lying... but he is...

    We have proof that the scientists are conspiring to cover up their lies, what proof do you have that the opposition opinion writer is lying?
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