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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I am sorry that I don't buy into the religion of man made global warming con job, that is aimed at taking rights. But you are free to....
    And now you switch to unresponsive evasions.
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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

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    And now you switch to unresponsive evasions.
    What am I evading? Your mockery? Why don't you try to focus on the subject and not the person....?
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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm


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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I will add to my comments in Message #2. Three quick thoughts before posting some of the draft report's key findings:

    1. It is astonishing that the whomever wrote the news story cited at the beginning of this thread never read the IPCC report.
    2. The news story is an example of confirmation bias at its worst. It latches onto a piece of information that is taken out of context and assumes that the draft report has retreated on the findings of earlier IPCC assessments.
    3. Perhaps the two points above explain why the news organization that disseminated the story and the bloggers who have latched onto the incorrect story, were so far off the mark when it came to the 2012 U.S. Presidential election.

    In general, in a free society, people need reliable information to make rational choices. The above story is not an example of reliable information. Public policy that is based on such flawed information is not optimal, as it misses the actual problem at hand (assumes that it doesn't exist). Hence, one can't proceed to the necessary discussion of costs and benefits, even as the opportunity costs associated with that flawed assumption could be rising.

    As for the leaked draft report, these are its major conclusions as it relates to AGW:

    Globally, CO2 is the strongest driver of climate change compared to other changes in the atmospheric composition, and changes in surface conditions. Its relative contribution has further increased since the 1980s and by far outweighs the contributions from natural drivers. CO2 concentrations and rates of increase are unprecedented in teh last 800,000 years and at least 20,000 years, respectively.

    I underlined the text related to natural drivers, as solar activity is a natural driver. The report makes unambiguously clear that the forcing related to CO2 far exceeds the impact of natural drivers, including the solar component, when it comes to ongoing climate change.

    The report adds:

    There is consistent evidence from observations of a net energy uptake of the Earth System due to an imbalance in the energy budget. It is virtually certain that this is caused by human activities, primarily by the increase in CO2 concentrations. There is very high confidence that natural forcing contributes only a small fraction to this imbalance.

    Notice again that natural factors explain only "a small fraction" of the earth's ongoing energy imbalance, which is leading to heating. Indeed, the earth maintained a sizable energy imbalance even during the recent solar minimum, which was the longest and deepest solar minimum since at least the early 20th century.


    Does it happen to explain why the warming started before the cause?

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I know of noone that is dealing in absolutes in regards to solar not causing ANY change. Please show us the comment where someone made that solar has abosultely ZERO effect on climate change while humans make absoultely ALL of the change. I'm guess you can't because you pulled that comment out of your ass.


    The assertion of the AGW proponents is that mankind can direct the course of climate through the control of Carbon emissions. This pretty much eliminates all other forcing factors, does it not?

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    There is, you just don't accept ANY of it. Therefore your opinion is noted.

    Please present the evidence you seem to think exists.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Of course I don't accept it because it's flawed data that is primarily based on a couple hundred years of climate data. That data (which most of it is fudged) paints a small picture with a broad brush. Lets also not forget these so called "climatologists" have been repeatedly caught manipulating data, lying and caught on tape arrogantly stating global warming is an agenda, not a concern.

    So yeah, I'm not going to believe a bunch of liars who have an agenda and ignore the geological record - that would make me you if I did.


    Not to nit pick, but the climate record in question is from 1880 forward. That's not quite 200 years.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    The instrument record extends several hundred years. Paleoclimatic data e.g., from ice cores extends back much farther in time. For example, the Vostok ice cores provide temperature estimates from more than 400,000 years ago.

    ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/pal..._petit1999.txt


    The instrument record starts in about 1880 and is based on a very USA centric set of data since then. The Satellite record stats in about 1980 and that is where the reliable Global temperatures begin.

    What you are talking about is proxy data and not instrument data.

    Historical Station Distribution Climate Audit

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Pot, kettle, black and yet again you offer nothing but biased and blindered comments.
    WTF? I agree with climatologists. You agree with cranks.

    You're the pot; I'm the audio version of the journal of climatology.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Climatology is useless. The only science that matters when putting the puzzle together is geology. A climatologist cant tell you what the weather (or climate) was like 5,000 or 500,000 years ago - a geologist can.
    We have liftoff! Conservatives telling us science is worthless.

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