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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    "Everyone"? Can you link to one source that says that the last 20 ppm increase in the concentration of CO2 has the same warming impact as the first 20 ppm?

    Any source. No matter how biased the site. Just one that says that every incremental increase in CO2 khas the exact same warming impact.
    Again, it's in all the literature:

    The enhanced greenhouse effect
    What has scientists concerned now is that over the past 250 years, humans have been artificially raising the concentration of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere at an ever-increasing rate, mostly by burning fossil fuels, but also from cutting down carbon-absorbing forests. Since the Industrial Revolution began in about 1750, carbon dioxide levels have increased nearly 38 percent as of 2009 and methane levels have increased 148 percent.

    Global Warming : Feature Articles


    The historical record shows that the climate system varies naturally over a wide range of time scales. In general, climate changes prior to the Industrial Revolution in the 1700s can be explained by natural causes, such as changes in solar energy, volcanic eruptions, and natural changes in greenhouse gas (GHG) concentrations. [1]

    Recent climate changes, however, cannot be explained by natural causes alone. Research indicates that natural causes are very unlikely to explain most observed warming, especially warming since the mid-20th century. Rather, human activities can very likely explain most of that warming. [1]

    http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/science/causes.html

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Then why do they all say it's absolutely true and none of them will call it a Theory?
    Do we have to define theory again?

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    An open source opinion piece from the left leaning Gannet organization, and a HuffPo progressive cultist saying "nu uh"....That's your proof? And you have the gall to dismiss OpEd's from American Thinker? What a joke.
    Oh he'll j, you can read it anywhere. It's been posted for years from multiple sources. It's such old information that it's shocking anyone's still posting it. For god's sake, do a little research on this silliness before swallowing it.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, no one says it hasn't. But your own chart shows that it's rising faster now. You miss the argument completely.


    These charts come from a Global Warming proponent site which is why I use this site. That said, they have attached to the end of a proxy record an instrumental record. This is disingenuous at the most charitable assessment. To get the accurate picture, you need to compare the proxy records and ignore the instrument record. It seems reasonable to assume that if the instrument record is that much higher than the proxies today, the instrument record would show the same bias if it was available in the past.

    That said, comparing the proxy rise in temperature from 1600 to 1800 shows a very similar increase to the increase from 1800 to 2000.

    Various of the proxies from the Holocene chart are off the grid compared to temperatures of today.
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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, it's in all the literature:

    The enhanced greenhouse effect
    What has scientists concerned now is that over the past 250 years, humans have been artificially raising the concentration of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere at an ever-increasing rate, mostly by burning fossil fuels, but also from cutting down carbon-absorbing forests. Since the Industrial Revolution began in about 1750, carbon dioxide levels have increased nearly 38 percent as of 2009 and methane levels have increased 148 percent.

    Global Warming : Feature Articles


    The historical record shows that the climate system varies naturally over a wide range of time scales. In general, climate changes prior to the Industrial Revolution in the 1700s can be explained by natural causes, such as changes in solar energy, volcanic eruptions, and natural changes in greenhouse gas (GHG) concentrations. [1]

    Recent climate changes, however, cannot be explained by natural causes alone. Research indicates that natural causes are very unlikely to explain most observed warming, especially warming since the mid-20th century. Rather, human activities can very likely explain most of that warming. [1]

    Causes of Climate Change | Climate Change | US EPA


    Not what I asked for. Looking for the scientific citation that the temperature impact from each incremental increase of CO2 is equal.

    You rejected what Ms. Nova said in her paper and I'm demanding that you support your claim. You said "everybody" agrees with your assertion. It should be easy to find a link.
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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    These charts come from a Global Warming proponent site which is why I use this site. That said, they have attached to the end of a proxy record an instrumental record. This is disingenuous at the most charitable assessment. To get the accurate picture, you need to compare the proxy records and ignore the instrument record. It seems reasonable to assume that if the instrument record is that much higher than the proxies today, the instrument record would show the same bias if it was available in the past.

    That said, comparing the proxy rise in temperature from 1600 to 1800 shows a very similar increase to the increase from 1800 to 2000.

    Various of the proxies from the Holocene chart are off the grid compared to temperatures of today.
    No it shows it going up even further in 2004.

    Your really misinterpreting what you're reading. It's not uncommon for the novice. It really isn't. I misread my car often. That's why I see a mechanic. There's no shame in it.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Do we have to define theory again?


    We already did this. AGW Science does not meet even one of the criteria that would make it into a Scientific Theory and there are several.

    Do you find it odd that all of those scientists support this so strongly and yet none of them will call it a theory?
    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Not what I asked for. Looking for the scientific citation that the temperature impact from each incremental increase of CO2 is equal.

    You rejected what Ms. Nova said in her paper and I'm demanding that you support your claim. You said "everybody" agrees with your assertion. It should be easy to find a link.
    My assertion is there is a clear consensus, and there is.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    We already did this. AGW Science does not meet even one of the criteria that would make it into a Scientific Theory and there are several.

    Do you find it odd that all of those scientists support this so strongly and yet none of them will call it a theory?
    According to you, a novice. Not according to the scientist, experts.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No it shows it going up even further in 2004.

    Your really misinterpreting what you're reading. It's not uncommon for the novice. It really isn't. I misread my car often. That's why I see a mechanic. There's no shame in it.


    The record from the year zero forward is a proxy record. The end is a tacked on instruement record. You can't be this stupid.

    The two measuring systems are not compatible. The proxies are the proxies and that is what we can use to compare. The is not an instrument record from 2000 years ago.

    You are trying to compare apples to oranges.
    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

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