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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

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    From your Wikipedia link:

    "Greenhouse gases

    Main article: Greenhouse gas
    By their percentage contribution to the greenhouse effect on Earth the four major gases are:[21][22]
    water vapor, 36–70%
    carbon dioxide, 9–26%
    methane, 4–9%
    ozone, 3–7%
    The major non-gas contributor to the Earth's greenhouse effect, clouds, also absorb and emit infrared radiation and thus have an effect on radiative properties of the atmosphere.[22]"

    This says that CO2 may be as much as 26% of the total Green house gases.

    All Greenhouse gases comprise about 5% of the atmosphere.

    26% of 5% is 1.3% of the total atmosphere.

    That is 13,000 ppm. This is higher than CO2 has been in about a billion years.

    The actual concentration of CO2 is about 400 ppm; .0004% of the atmosphere.

    Also, in the real world, water vapor comprises about 95% of all green house gases.
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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    I scanned it quickly and did not see the staement on the diminishing effect of CO2 as the concentration of CO2 increases. Could you please cut and paste that for me.

    I also missed the part where they cite the exact contribution made by CO2 to the overall warming.

    Could you please cut and paste that also?

    If you think you addressed the paper by Ms. Nova, you have fallen short of the mark. You are free to try again.
    Your question doesn't matter. What matters is how it works. If this was as flawed as you think, it would easily convince most scientist. It doesn't at all. So the flaw is likely in your understanding (this is why I included earlier the part about cherry picking parts for you).

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I use best evidence. It's really the way it should be when you're not an expert. Too many novices jump in and hook onto something they think sounds good, ignore all other evidence. I find that arrogant and foolhardy at best. And each time your side gets evidence to the contrary, you repeat the same silliness as if no one had seen it before or rebutted it. J will post that same error filled 32,000 claim again. Others will to. And it's a lie.


    I'm not that interested in the popularity polls. I'm interested in what makes sense.

    Any clues yet on why the vast certainty has not produced a ration of "Theory" for this notion?

    Could it be that it does not meet even one of the criteria to be a Scientific Theory?
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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    From your Wikipedia link:

    "Greenhouse gases

    Main article: Greenhouse gas
    By their percentage contribution to the greenhouse effect on Earth the four major gases are:[21][22]
    water vapor, 36–70%
    carbon dioxide, 9–26%
    methane, 4–9%
    ozone, 3–7%
    The major non-gas contributor to the Earth's greenhouse effect, clouds, also absorb and emit infrared radiation and thus have an effect on radiative properties of the atmosphere.[22]"

    This says that CO2 may be as much as 26% of the total Green house gases.

    All Greenhouse gases comprise about 5% of the atmosphere.

    26% of 5% is 1.3% of the total atmosphere.

    That is 13,000 ppm. This is higher than CO2 has been in about a billion years.

    The actual concentration of CO2 is about 400 ppm; .0004% of the atmosphere.

    Also, in the real world, water vapor comprises about 95% of all green house gases.
    Again, that doesn't matter. Everyone knows that, but conclude that is enough to contribute to the increase. The flaw in thinking is with you.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    I'm not that interested in the popularity polls. I'm interested in what makes sense.

    Any clues yet on why the vast certainty has not produced a ration of "Theory" for this notion?

    Could it be that it does not meet even one of the criteria to be a Scientific Theory?
    It's not popularity. That would be if we polled you. Its scientist who do the science. Not popularity. This too is a flaw in your thinking.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Your question doesn't matter. What matters is how it works. If this was as flawed as you think, it would easily convince most scientist. It doesn't at all. So the flaw is likely in your understanding (this is why I included earlier the part about cherry picking parts for you).



    You have this backwards. Climate has been changing since the Earth became a sphere. It always has changed and it seems pretty likely that it will continue to change. To doubt, all I need to do is not buy the misinformation. To believe, you should be able to explain what is happening.

    The Climate is changing right now as it always has for natural reasons. There is absolutely no difference between the current change and previous changes. In the last 2000 years, the Globe has warmed by about 0.7 degrees. In the last 8000, the Globe has cooled by about 1.0 degrees.

    In the last 10,000 years, the globe has warmed and cooled in a range of about 2 degrees and we are smack dab in the middle of that range right now.

    It is the AGW Diehards who need to prove that there is something unusual happening and that it is caused by the activities of Man.

    If you can prove that, then go ahead and do so. So far all you are saying is that you hear there might be a problem so we need to starve the planet's population.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    You have this backwards. Climate has been changing since the Earth became a sphere. It always has changed and it seems pretty likely that it will continue to change.

    It is changing right now. There is absolutely no difference between the current change and previous changes. In the last 2000 years, the Globe has warmed by about 0.7 degrees. In the last 8000, the Globe has cooled by about 1.0 degrees.

    In the last 11,000 years, the globe has warmed and cooled in a range of about 2 degrees and we are smack dab in the middle of that range right now.

    It is the AGW Diehards who need to prove that there is something unusual happening and that it is caused by the activities of Man.

    If you can prove that, then go ahead and do so. So far all you are saying is that you hear there might be a problem so we need to starve the planet's population.

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    Again, no one says it hasn't. But your own chart shows that it's rising faster now. You miss the argument completely.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, that doesn't matter. Everyone knows that, but conclude that is enough to contribute to the increase. The flaw in thinking is with you.


    "Everyone"? Can you link to one source that says that the last 20 ppm increase in the concentration of CO2 has the same warming impact as the first 20 ppm?

    Any source. No matter how biased the site. Just one that says that every incremental increase in CO2 has the exact same warming impact.
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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    For you j: (one more time)

    The 32,000 “leading” scientists — 9,000 saying they have Ph.D.s — come from a petition by the George C. Marshall Institute, an outfit funded by hundreds of thousands of dollars from Exxon-Mobil that has helped create uncertainty over scientific consensus on global warming. The petition came with a cover letter by Frederick Seitz, a scientist who received much money from the R.J. Reynolds cigarette company and helped to create uncertainty over medical consensus on the harms of tobacco smoke.

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    So what do actual climatologists think?

    Kelly Redmond, regional climatologist at Reno’s Desert Research Institute, told Fact Checker, “There seems little doubt that the earth as a whole is warming, based on separate evidence from the surface, the lower atmosphere and from satellites.”

    Asked if the main causes are human-related, he said, “Without invoking human-related influences, we are at a loss for mechanisms that can account for the observed warming.”

    He is far from alone. Not a single scientific organization of national or international standing denies that global warming is taking place.

    Peter T. Doran and Maggie Kendall Zimmerman from the University of Illinois-Chicago surveyed more than 3,000 world scientists, with more than 90 percent having Ph.D.s.
    They found that the vast majority of scientists said the earth is warming and human activity is a significant factor in global temperature changes. Among scientists specializing in and publishing peer-reviewed research in the field of climatology, the rate of consensus was about 97 percent for both questions.

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    In another instance that came out in court documents, a fossil-fuel-industry group called the Global Climate Coalition asked its scientists about global warming caused by human activity and they reported back, “The scientific basis … is well established and cannot be denied.”

    Not only that, its scientists concluded that those who were skeptical of global warming “do not offer convincing arguments.”

    Despite this internal document — similar to actions by the tobacco industry — the fossil fuel industry continued to sow confusion about climate change, until the coalition disbanded in 2002.

    http://www.rgj.com/article/20101228/...nclick_check=1

    Kevin Grandia: The 30,000 Global Warming Petition Is Easily-Debunked Propaganda
    An open source opinion piece from the left leaning Gannet organization, and a HuffPo progressive cultist saying "nu uh"....That's your proof? And you have the gall to dismiss OpEd's from American Thinker? What a joke.
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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's not popularity. That would be if we polled you. Its scientist who do the science. Not popularity. This too is a flaw in your thinking.


    Then why do they all say it's absolutely true and none of them will call it a Theory?
    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

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