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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    What is politicized is the denial effort. It's grounded in politics and not science. The science is just the science. Those not wanting to adhere to any consequences of the science prefer to muddy the water (remember the tobacco industry?).
    What is this? the "I know you are, but what am I?" gambit? No Joe, AGW/Climate change cultists like Al Gore politicized this from the jump. It is the only way you are going to force people to comply.
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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, I am glad you thought it was amusing....On the subject of so called Peer Review....It really means nothing as far as I understand it today.....

    Let's use the AGW cult for example, we'll call the Scientists involved the "Priests", and the believers of AGW, "the flock", and the politicians involved in the AGW scam are "the Bishops" for the purposes of this exercise....

    The priests want to get into a Journal with their paper espousing, and furthering the propaganda of the Bishop's pronouncements of AGW being real, and in need of catastrophic disaster if we the people don't let them have their way. So they write the propaganda, and submit it to other priests in the cult to look over and sign on to as being accurate so that the Journal will publish the article and give the Priest career prominence in their field....Some Journals actually charge a fee to do this...So, it can be a 'pay to play' system that has nothing to do with whether or not the actual topic is correct or not.

    So, they write the article, get their friends to say 'oh yeah, they are correct', and in some cases pay the magazine to publish it, and in turn they do the same for their friends whom publish articles...



    So, we have a flawed system that you are hanging your hat on here, known as "peer review", designed in a non political system to work, but as we know Climate Science has been politicized, and corrupted, making your academic exercise moot.



    When Peer Review is politicized it isn't just broken, it is corrupt.


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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I blame George Bush.


    I'm not 100% sure that I understand the blaming roles in the Blame Game, but throughout his first term, the Big 0 blamed Bush who was in office during the previous term. In that way, the first term Obama was always off the hook.

    I think you are supposed to blame the occupant of the White House in the previous term. Could be wrong, I suppose. I was just observing what was actually happening.

    I think you're supposed to blame the first term Obama and let the second term Obama off the hook.
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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    What is politicized is the denial effort. It's grounded in politics and not science. The science is just the science. Those not wanting to adhere to any consequences of the science prefer to muddy the water (remember the tobacco industry?).


    What are the parallels between the debate on Anthropogenic causation of Global Warming and the tobacco industry?
    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    What are the parallels between the debate on Anthropogenic causation of Global Warming and the tobacco industry?
    Climate change denial - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    A dishonest gambit at best.
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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    A dishonest gambit at best.
    Kind of funny. These points are so old and proven they are in textbooks, encyclopedias. Children are being taught these things as part of a basic rudimentary education. Yet we have "denialists" who won't even consider the possibility it could be true and immediately wave it off without a second thought.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Kind of funny. These points are so old and proven they are in textbooks, encyclopedias. Children are being taught these things as part of a basic rudimentary education. Yet we have "denialists" who won't even consider the possibility it could be true and immediately wave it off without a second thought.
    Textbooks written by whom? Encyclopedias are not written in stone either....That children are being brainwashed by progressives in our schools is nothing new either...You need to learn the difference between Scientific law, and theory.
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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Textbooks written by whom? Encyclopedias are not written in stone either....That children are being brainwashed by progressives in our schools is nothing new either...You need to learn the difference between Scientific law, and theory.
    If you think the whole world is one big progressive conspiracy out to get you then I don't think we can really have a debate. Your bizarre comment about law and theory is besides the point anyway, because if you believe its all a progressive conspiracy then you can't trust law or theory as it is, being that those are tools of the progressive manipulators, right?

    Listen to yourself, you sound ridiculous, think it over. You're in denial.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    You may suspect them, but at least I make a statement and then produce the link to back that statement up. This is something I have yet to see you do. Why not pick out any of the predictions from any of the sources listed and then demonstrate that in truth that listed projection is not an accurate representation of what they actually predicted?

    I am not pro pollution. In fact, just the opposite. Wherever possible, I conserve with the best of them for the reasons that are proven and can be demonstrated in the real world. It only makes sense to not crap where you eat.

    However, ascribing to fantasies like AGW does nothing for the effort to conserve. Did you know that the Catalytic Converter converts more exhaust into CO2 than was emitted prior to the CC? CO2 is bad and will destroy the planet. Catalytic Converters are good and will save the planet. Catalytic Converters create more CO2. What's wrong with this picture? Why does the government mandate the use of the converters which increase CO2 and the government also demands the reduction of CO2?

    The question of whether or not rising CO2 causes warming right now when it probably never has in the past few billion years around here is ludicrous and needs very specific and very definitive proof. In every example in the past, when the two are directly linked, CO2 rising has always been the effect of rising temperature, not the cause. There may have been three times in the geological record when it is likely that CO2 rose before Temperature rose, but, given the ongoing proven causality, those three or fewer examples may just have been a coincidence. In all cases, the CO2 reduced again fairly quickly and naturally.

    Again, when the exceptions are this rare, ample proof is required to demonstrate the reverse causation.

    I'm still waiting to see this presented. Whatcha got?
    Actually, your description of yourself is not accurate. each of your statements have met a rebuttal by someone. you've largely ignored the facts of the rebuttal and merely repeated the claim that has been rebutted, leaving no place to really go in the debate. If you had actually addressed each rebuttal, we could move forward. but you haven't.

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