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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by distraff View Post
    Is there a scientific consensus on black carbon being the reason for 44% of Global Warming?
    I derived the 44% from it accounting for 0.71/1.6 W/m^2 warming as claimed by the IPCC.

    This is a new study, and Bond is a respected climate scientist. Nobody can class him as a denier. I love the new accurate data that science now has on the subject since SOURCE was launched.

    Full study:

    Bounding the role of black carbon in the climate system: A scientific assessment

    Authors:

    T. C. Bond1, S. J. Doherty2, D. W. Fahey3, P. M. Forster4, T. Berntsen5, B. J. DeAngelo6, M. G. Flanner7, S. Ghan8, B.
    Kärcher9, D. Koch10, S. Kinne11, Y. Kondo12, P. K. Quinn13, M. C. Sarofim6, M. G. Schultz14, M. Schulz15, C.
    Venkataraman16, H. Zhang17, S. Zhang18, N. Bellouin19, S. K. Guttikunda20, P. K. Hopke21, M. Z. Jacobson22, J. W.
    Kaiser23, Z. Klimont24, U. Lohmann25, J. P. Schwarz3, D. Shindell26, T. Storelvmo27, S. G. Warren28, C. S. Zender29

    1University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, Urbana, Illinois, USA.
    2Joint Institute for the Study of the Atmosphere and Ocean, University of Washington, Seattle, Washington, USA.
    3NOAA Earth System Research Laboratory, Boulder, Colorado, USA and Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences,
    University of Colorado, Boulder, Colorado, USA
    4University of Leeds, Leeds, UK.
    5Center for International Climate and Environmental Research-Oslo and Department of Geosciences, University of Oslo, Oslo, Norway.
    6US Environmental Protection Agency, Washington, DC, USA.
    7University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA.
    8Pacific Northwest National Laboratory, Richland, Washington, USA.
    9Deutsches Zentrum für Luft- und Raumfahrt Oberpfaffenhofen, Wessling, Germany.
    10US Department of Energy, Washington, DC, USA.
    11Max Planck Institute, Hamburg, Germany.
    12University of Tokyo, Tokyo, Japan.
    13NOAA Pacific Marine Environment Laboratory, Seattle, Washington, USA.
    14Forschungszentrum Jülich GmbH, Jülich, Germany.
    15Norwegian Meteorological Institute, Oslo, Norway.
    16Indian Institute of Technology, Bombay, India.
    17China Meteorological Administration, Beijing, China.
    18Peking University, Beijing, China.
    19Met Office Hadley Centre, Exeter, UK.
    20Division of Atmospheric Sciences, Desert Research Institute, Reno, Nevada, USA
    21Clarkson University, Potsdam, New York, USA.
    22Stanford University, Stanford, California, USA.
    23 European Centre for Medium-range Weather Forecasts, Reading, UK, King's College London, London, UK, and Max Planck Institute for
    Chemistry, Mainz, Germany.
    24International Institute for Applied System Analysis, Laxenburg, Austria.
    25Eidgenössische Technische Hochschule Zürich, Zurich, Switzerland.
    26NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, New York, New York, USA.
    27Yale University, New Haven, Connecticut, USA.
    28University of Washington, Seattle, Washington, USA.
    29University of California, Irvine, California, USA.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    I derived the 44% from it accounting for 0.71/1.6 W/m^2 warming as claimed by the IPCC.

    This is a new study, and Bond is a respected climate scientist. Nobody can class him as a denier. I love the new accurate data that science now has on the subject since SOURCE was launched.

    Full study:

    Bounding the role of black carbon in the climate system: A scientific assessment

    Authors:

    T. C. Bond1, S. J. Doherty2, D. W. Fahey3, P. M. Forster4, T. Berntsen5, B. J. DeAngelo6, M. G. Flanner7, S. Ghan8, B.
    Kärcher9, D. Koch10, S. Kinne11, Y. Kondo12, P. K. Quinn13, M. C. Sarofim6, M. G. Schultz14, M. Schulz15, C.
    Venkataraman16, H. Zhang17, S. Zhang18, N. Bellouin19, S. K. Guttikunda20, P. K. Hopke21, M. Z. Jacobson22, J. W.
    Kaiser23, Z. Klimont24, U. Lohmann25, J. P. Schwarz3, D. Shindell26, T. Storelvmo27, S. G. Warren28, C. S. Zender29

    1University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, Urbana, Illinois, USA.
    2Joint Institute for the Study of the Atmosphere and Ocean, University of Washington, Seattle, Washington, USA.
    3NOAA Earth System Research Laboratory, Boulder, Colorado, USA and Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences,
    University of Colorado, Boulder, Colorado, USA
    4University of Leeds, Leeds, UK.
    5Center for International Climate and Environmental Research-Oslo and Department of Geosciences, University of Oslo, Oslo, Norway.
    6US Environmental Protection Agency, Washington, DC, USA.
    7University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA.
    8Pacific Northwest National Laboratory, Richland, Washington, USA.
    9Deutsches Zentrum für Luft- und Raumfahrt Oberpfaffenhofen, Wessling, Germany.
    10US Department of Energy, Washington, DC, USA.
    11Max Planck Institute, Hamburg, Germany.
    12University of Tokyo, Tokyo, Japan.
    13NOAA Pacific Marine Environment Laboratory, Seattle, Washington, USA.
    14Forschungszentrum Jülich GmbH, Jülich, Germany.
    15Norwegian Meteorological Institute, Oslo, Norway.
    16Indian Institute of Technology, Bombay, India.
    17China Meteorological Administration, Beijing, China.
    18Peking University, Beijing, China.
    19Met Office Hadley Centre, Exeter, UK.
    20Division of Atmospheric Sciences, Desert Research Institute, Reno, Nevada, USA
    21Clarkson University, Potsdam, New York, USA.
    22Stanford University, Stanford, California, USA.
    23 European Centre for Medium-range Weather Forecasts, Reading, UK, King's College London, London, UK, and Max Planck Institute for
    Chemistry, Mainz, Germany.
    24International Institute for Applied System Analysis, Laxenburg, Austria.
    25Eidgenössische Technische Hochschule Zürich, Zurich, Switzerland.
    26NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, New York, New York, USA.
    27Yale University, New Haven, Connecticut, USA.
    28University of Washington, Seattle, Washington, USA.
    29University of California, Irvine, California, USA.
    Wait... did the paper give this 44% statistic or did you decide to do your own scientific analysis based on what the paper said?

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by distraff View Post
    Wait... did the paper give this 44% statistic or did you decide to do your own scientific analysis based on what the paper said?
    I derived the 44% from it accounting for 0.71/1.6 W/m^2 warming as claimed by the IPCC.
    The IPCC claims 1.6 W/m^2 of warming. The study claims 0.71 W/m^2 is cause by BC.

    0.71/1.6 = 0.4438.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    How many decades of "plateau" is it going to take before you warmists can agree you're wrong. Or are you all going to go to your grave swearing up and down that one of these days there will be the 2nd coming of global warming?
    Will the much awaited return of JC coincide with global warming?

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    Re: UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warming

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That would only be so if your proclaimed science hadn't been caught skewing data to fit the political agenda.
    There is a great deal of money to be made from human-caused global warming. I wonder how many global warming advocates would continue in their quest to save the planet if all of the money dried up?

    If it were real one would think they would continue altruistically.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    The IPCC claims 1.6 W/m^2 of warming. The study claims 0.71 W/m^2 is cause by BC.

    0.71/1.6 = 0.4438.
    I would be careful with doing climate science for the climate paper if you are not yourself a climate scientist. You never know the little differences in measures that could be taken into account. So it may not be apples and oranges. First off, what are the time intervals for the two estimates you cited?

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    Re: UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warming

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    There is a great deal of money to be made from human-caused global warming. I wonder how many global warming advocates would continue in their quest to save the planet if all of the money dried up?

    If it were real one would think they would continue altruistically.
    I think if it were real, we would be making real changes.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by distraff View Post
    I would be careful with doing climate science for the climate paper if you are not yourself a climate scientist. You never know the little differences in measures that could be taken into account. So it may not be apples and oranges. First off, what are the time intervals for the two estimates you cited?
    They are both from 1750 to 2005.

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    Re: UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warming

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Let me give you a little help:

    We find such claims to be far wide of the mark. The e-mails (which have been made available by an unidentified individual here) do show a few scientists talking frankly among themselves — sometimes being rude, dismissive, insular, or even behaving like jerks. Whether they show anything beyond that is still in doubt. An investigation is being conducted by East Anglia University,
    In other news the Holder Justice Department is investigating Fast and Furious to find out what they did and when they did it. Obama is investigating his Benghazi Massacre and estimates he will eventually find out where he was from the moment he was notified of the attack to the time he departed 9 hours later for his Las Vegas fundraiser.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    They are both from 1750 to 2005.
    According to this article:
    Black carbon is worse for global warming than previously thought | Environment | theguardian.com

    CO2 alone is responsible for 1.6 watts per square meter. Black carbon is responsible for 1.1 watts per square meter. Remember that this is one study that may be later confirmed or dis-confirmed. So lets not jump to any conclusions yet.

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