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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    You may want to brush up on critical thinking skills.

    Sure the media is biased, but not everything they say is useless. If you're intelligent and know how to read between the lines you can extract a lot of useful information from them. If you're intelligent you also know to check with many different media outlets with opposing views. You also know to check the motives behind each media source, the author of the articles. You research it all and take away from it what you determine to have a decent amount of credibility. But this is all besides the point.

    The media isn't the driving force behind climate change, scientists are. So dismissing media because they are biased and also dismissing climate change because some media champion it is not logical in the least but you went ahead and made that argument anyway.

    Your arguments are bad, your logic is bad, but who cares right?
    What is that an oxymoron?

    I love how you progressives start off your ****ing posts...

    I suppose my disagreements (and facts) don't jibe with your way of thinking so I must "need to brush up on something."

    Did you ever think for once in your life that - that ****ing sentence is bait material for the zombies?? "no you need to reevaluate your ideas."

    You ever bother to think for yourself?

    Then you attempt to limit the propaganda outlets power??

    Guess what dude? you're a product of the ****ing media, yet you're denying their influence???

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    I don't really give a **** anymore..

    Progressive and Neo-cons...

    Let there be light or let there be darkness..

    I would suggest opining your shades if you want facts instead of living like the "man in the box."

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Is ranting credible?

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    I responded to the post and the links in that post.

    The nugget you were going to provide from the third link seems to be missing.

    Could you please post that by using the technique called cut and paste?
    I've done that already. I did it over many posts. Many sources.

    Quantifying the consensus on anthropogenic global warming in the scientific literature - IOPscience

    However, these types of articles are something you really should read:

    Denialism: what is it and how should scientists respond?

    (Snip)

    The third characteristic is selectivity, drawing on isolated papers that challenge the dominant consensus or high lighting the flaws in the weakest papers among those that support it as a means of discrediting the entire field.

    http://eurpub.oxfordjournals.org/con...9/1/2.full.pdf

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley
    OK, If I were one of the scientists, I would be one of the 97.1% who agree AGW is happening.

    Please explain something to me...

    How many classify at the 50%?

    Explicit endorsements were divided into non-quantified (e.g., humans are contributing to global warming without quantifying the contribution) and quantified (e.g., humans are contributing more than 50% of global warming,
    Where is that percentage? How many thought AGW was more than 50% of the warming?


    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley
    However, these types of articles are something you really should read:

    Denialism: what is it and how should scientists respond?

    (Snip)

    The third characteristic is selectivity, drawing on isolated papers that challenge the dominant consensus or high lighting the flaws in the weakest papers among those that support it as a means of discrediting the entire field.

    http://eurpub.oxfordjournals.org/con...9/1/2.full.pdf
    Yes, this fits you guys perfectly. You warmers are the denialists.

    Responding to denialism

    Denialists are driven by a range of
    motivations. For some it is greed, lured
    by the corporate largesse of the oil
    and tobacco industries. For others it is
    ideology or faith, causing them to reject
    anything incompatible with their fundamental
    beliefs.
    You guys continue to have faith in the sciences you fail to understand.


    Finally there is eccentricity
    and idiosyncrasy, sometimes
    encouraged by the celebrity status conferred
    on the maverick by the media.
    Al Gore, for example...


    Whatever the motivation, it is important
    to recognize denialism when confronted
    with it. The normal academic
    response to an opposing argument is to
    engage with it
    , testing the strengths and
    weaknesses of the differing views, in
    the expectations that the truth will
    emerge through a process of debate.
    Interesting how debates from skeptics are refused by the alarmists.


    However, this requires that both parties
    obey certain ground rules, such as a
    willingness to look at the evidence as
    a whole, to reject deliberate distortions
    and to accept principles of logic. A meaningful
    discourse is impossible when
    one party rejects these rules. Yet it
    would be wrong to prevent the denialists
    having a voice. Instead, we argue, it is
    necessary to shift the debate from the
    subject under consideration, instead
    exposing to public scrutiny the tactics
    they employ and identifying them
    publicly for what they are. An understanding
    of the five tactics listed
    above provides a useful framework for
    doing so.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    OK, If I were one of the scientists, I would be one of the 97.1% who agree AGW is happening.

    Please explain something to me...

    How many classify at the 50%?



    Where is that percentage? How many thought AGW was more than 50% of the warming?



    Yes, this fits you guys perfectly. You warmers are the denialists.


    You guys continue to have faith in the sciences you fail to understand.



    Al Gore, for example...



    Interesting how debates from skeptics are refused by the alarmists.
    If it's 30% instead of 50%, so?

    And debate isn't refused. Too often you resent things that are factually inaccurate. Once that is noted, and you cling to it, that ends actual debate.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley
    If it's 30% instead of 50%, so?

    And debate isn't refused.
    Really?

    Then can you point me to an actual debate rather than pal review vs. peer review wars? I can't find any.

    Call for an Open Debate on Climate Science.

    Funny how I have listened to skeptics speak, and they claim the likes of Hansen, Mann, and others refuse to have an actual debate on the subject. Have you ever heard of an actual debate between climate scientists?


    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley
    Too often you resent things that are factually inaccurate. Once that is noted, and you cling to it, that ends actual debate.
    What did I say that was inaccurate? Was it real, or a typo? Can you please tell me what mistake I made?

    You didn't answer my question.

    In that study, they take those with the AGW agreement (97.1%) and mention a 50% point. They do not say how many of the scientists say that AGW is more or less than 50% of the observed warming.

    You fail to comprehend my argument that YES! AGW is real. My argument is that it is less than 50% of the warming. They mention the 50% point, but do not quantify it.

    I wonder why...

    How many times have I mentioned that what is not said, is as important as what is said?

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Back to this:

    Bond et al. 2013

    After this scaling, the best estimate for the industrial-era (1750 to 2005) direct radiative forcing of atmospheric black carbon is +0.71 W m-2 with 90% uncertainty bounds of (+0.08, +1.27) W m-2.
    Solar Variability: Striking a Balance with Climate Change

    Over the past century, Earth's average temperature has increased by approximately 0.6 degrees Celsius (1.1 degrees Fahrenheit). Solar heating accounts for about 0.15 C, or 25 percent, of this change, according to computer modeling results published by NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies researcher David Rind in 2004.
    OK.

    Can someone explain to me how much CO2 contributes if the sun is responsible for 25% the global warming increase, and black carbon for 44% of it?

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Back to this:

    Bond et al. 2013



    Solar Variability: Striking a Balance with Climate Change



    OK.

    Can someone explain to me how much CO2 contributes if the sun is responsible for 25% the global warming increase, and black carbon for 44% of it?
    Is there a scientific consensus on black carbon being the reason for 44% of Global Warming?

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