Page 34 of 135 FirstFirst ... 2432333435364484134 ... LastLast
Results 331 to 340 of 1347

Thread: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global [W:478]

  1. #331
    Sage
    Boo Radley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    11-22-17 @ 04:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    36,858

    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    This attachment shows various proxies. The proxies show a pretty clear increase of temperature from 1600 to 1800. They show a pretty clear increase in temperature from 1800 to 2000.

    At the end of the record, the instrument record is tacked onto the proxies and that is a sham. The proxies start to curl down again as the instrument record rises. According to the proxies, the increase in temperature from 1600 to 1800, the 200 years before Industrial Revolution, was about equal to the 200 years following the increase in CO2 from the Industrial Revolution.

    This undermines your premise completely.

    At this time and since about the year 2000 the temperature has at least plateaued and may be dropping.

    Attachment 67151175
    Not sure you know how to read your own chart. It supports me more than anything else. Again, review the ice core samples.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

  2. #332
    Outer space potato man

    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 11:29 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    51,849

    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    This attachment shows various proxies. The proxies show a pretty clear increase of temperature from 1600 to 1800. They show a pretty clear increase in temperature from 1800 to 2000.

    At the end of the record, the instrument record is tacked onto the proxies and that is a sham. The proxies start to curl down again as the instrument record rises. According to the proxies, the increase in temperature from 1600 to 1800, the 200 years before Industrial Revolution, was about equal to the 200 years following the increase in CO2 from the Industrial Revolution.

    This undermines your premise completely.

    At this time and since about the year 2000 the temperature has at least plateaued and may be dropping.

    Attachment 67151175
    Which do you think is wrong: the instrumental record or the temperature proxies?

    The temperature has not been dropping in any statistically meaningful fashion.

    Also, the instrumental record does curl down in the same place the proxies do. It isn't totally obvious looking at a chart on that scale, but most of the temperature proxies actually end in 1950.
    Last edited by Deuce; 07-29-13 at 08:00 PM.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

  3. #333
    Sage
    j-mac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    South Carolina
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 07:39 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    30,322

    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You assume your question applies.
    Believe or not Joe, I really don't assume anything....That would be you providing the assumption of others...

    Computer models show us some things, but like any evidence gathering effort, we can measure cause and effect.
    Computer models can be wrong. Ever heard the phrase 'garbage in, garbage out'? We can see often with say weather forecasting on things like hurricanes, that computer models are really nothing more than a guess. And, if the information is manipulated before it is entered to fit the conclusion then of course it is going to lead you there.

    No one suggests there is only one cause...
    Simply not true. The suggestion has been nearly exclusive from the followers of the GW religion that man is the cause.

    ...but we can see clear evidence of an increase and speeding up of warming beginning during the industrial age.
    No you really don't...What you do have is a scientific question, warped, and twisted by political concerns into a conclusion chased by skewed data. What is your control planet? Without that, your so called evidence is ****.

    We have more than one measure.
    Tell enough lies, and you think it becomes fact? Again, what is your control planet? I am less concerned with manipulated data sets to fit narratives, than I am with the agenda of control people like you try to further with them.

    Evidence is listed and explained in by many, which is why there is a consensus.
    In science matters of theory are never settled. You are making the political mistake of thinking that because you have a few voices that are in the tank for the progressive agenda of AGW being used for political control, and global fiat currency, that closes the argument, but in real science, the argument is never, and should never be closed.

    BTW, I answered you in the context to that which you replied to. I always assume when you enter a discussion, you're continuing with what was said by all. Make clear when your not, and I'll answer you more direct.
    I'd settle to just get some honesty out of you Joe. :
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

    Alexis de Tocqueville

  4. #334
    Sage
    Boo Radley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    11-22-17 @ 04:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    36,858

    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Believe or not Joe, I really don't assume anything....That would be you providing the assumption of others...



    Computer models can be wrong. Ever heard the phrase 'garbage in, garbage out'? We can see often with say weather forecasting on things like hurricanes, that computer models are really nothing more than a guess. And, if the information is manipulated before it is entered to fit the conclusion then of course it is going to lead you there.



    Simply not true. The suggestion has been nearly exclusive from the followers of the GW religion that man is the cause.



    No you really don't...What you do have is a scientific question, warped, and twisted by political concerns into a conclusion chased by skewed data. What is your control planet? Without that, your so called evidence is ****.



    Tell enough lies, and you think it becomes fact? Again, what is your control planet? I am less concerned with manipulated data sets to fit narratives, than I am with the agenda of control people like you try to further with them.



    In science matters of theory are never settled. You are making the political mistake of thinking that because you have a few voices that are in the tank for the progressive agenda of AGW being used for political control, and global fiat currency, that closes the argument, but in real science, the argument is never, and should never be closed.



    I'd settle to just get some honesty out of you Joe. :
    Jim always honest with j, but you have trouble seeing the point made.

    As for the rest, anything can be wrong. True. But, the evidence is beyond computer models and as one article I linked noted, there is an entire house of bricks you have to contend with. The tactic but those who are deniers is to pick one brick and even through they read the brick Inaccurately, pound it to death. There is a reason that there is such a large consensus and acceptance of this. And as non-scientists, it's rather arrogant to assume you know better.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

  5. #335
    Sage
    j-mac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    South Carolina
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 07:39 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    30,322

    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Jim always honest with j, but you have trouble seeing the point made.

    As for the rest, anything can be wrong. True. But, the evidence is beyond computer models and as one article I linked noted, there is an entire house of bricks you have to contend with. The tactic but those who are deniers is to pick one brick and even through they read the brick Inaccurately, pound it to death. There is a reason that there is such a large consensus and acceptance of this. And as non-scientists, it's rather arrogant to assume you know better.
    The second you start throwing out terms like "deniers" to describe those that don't agree with your rhetoric, you show yourself to not be an honest broker in the argument....I'll leave it at that.
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

    Alexis de Tocqueville

  6. #336
    Sage
    Boo Radley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    11-22-17 @ 04:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    36,858

    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The second you start throwing out terms like "deniers" to describe those that don't agree with your rhetoric, you show yourself to not be an honest broker in the argument....I'll leave it at that.
    True, but I'm only responding in kind. And that has nothing to do with honesty (really, words have definitions). You should read what you write sometime. But when you base an argument on belief, and not the prevailing science, you have to expect some criticism.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

  7. #337
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 11:56 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    17,617

    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Then you haven't read it all.


    Please cut and paste the silver bullet to which you refer.
    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

  8. #338
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 11:56 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    17,617

    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure you know how to read your own chart. It supports me more than anything else. Again, review the ice core samples.


    They have, as i said, tacked the instrument record on the end of the Proxies. This is like throwing a thoroughbred horse into the 1500 meters in the Olympics. They just don't jive.

    To compare apples to apples, ignore the instrument record and look at the proxies. If there were instruments to read in the past, the departure probably would have been as great.

    Cut and paste the silver bullet that you are trying to reference from the ice Cores.
    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

  9. #339
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 11:56 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    17,617

    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Which do you think is wrong: the instrumental record or the temperature proxies?

    The temperature has not been dropping in any statistically meaningful fashion.

    Also, the instrumental record does curl down in the same place the proxies do. It isn't totally obvious looking at a chart on that scale, but most of the temperature proxies actually end in 1950.


    The proxies are the proxies and the instruments are the instruments. Both are simply what they are.

    Niether, however, is the same as the other.
    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

  10. #340
    Farts in Elevators
    OscarB63's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    Alabama
    Last Seen
    09-06-14 @ 07:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    26,526

    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    ...goes outside, looks up, notices the sky is STILL not falling, turns around and goes back inside. Nothing to see here, as usual, move along.......

    FWIW, we had the coolest June on record this year in my area. on track to have the coolest July on record.
    The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

    An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •