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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

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    I have no doubt that the globe is warming. At least it has been on balance for about 400 years. Please note that the warming which started 400 years ago pre-dates the industrial Revolution, the cause of the warming, by 200 years.

    This notion of causality includes the assumption that the future causes the past.

    Beyond that, it's a toss up whether or not we were much cooler than we are right now about 5000 years ago. Glaciers are receding to points that are exposing 5000 year old artifacts and mummified people. It is almost a certainty that we are cooler than we were 8000 years ago. How many glaciers in North America are older than 8000 years?

    In the Holocene, we have been warmer than now and cooler than now. After the temperature rise that ended the Ice Age, the temperature has vacillated within about a 2 degree range and we are smack dab in the middle of that range right now.

    The rise of temperature over the last 2000 years has been about 0.7 degrees. This may strike some as an unprecedented and rapid rise in temperature, but it strikes me as astonishing stability. My living room has greater vacillations in temperature in the average winter evening.


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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

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    Your assessment of the scientific method is wrong. Einstein said:

    No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong.

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    To prove that Anthropogenic global warming is right and that it actually exists, ALL of the proofs must be right. To create and maintain doubt, only one. The fact that the ongoing research exposes the lack of understanding by the science community shows more than anything else that they don't have the goods.

    There are far more than one plank to cause doubt. As an example, if CO2 is the prime driver of warming, then this should be easily proven and beyond that, the exact contribution to warming by the 50 so discreet causers of warming should be definable and should be understood, quantifiable and documented. Please produce the link that does this.

    I'll provide the 50 or so causers of warming for you to help you with your research:

    http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a...5c9415b970b-pi
    You're quoting without understanding the quote, nor relating it exactly to what we're discussing. The articled point out each brick would have to be shown wrong, and that is correct. You've also been shown good evidence, and that your reading of the charts was inaccurate. Can't do much about your faith, but the evidence is against you.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    I have no doubt that the globe is warming. At least it has been on balance for about 400 years. Please note that the warming which started 400 years ago pre-date the industrial Revolution, the cause of the warming, but 200 years.

    This notion of causality includes the assumption that the future causes the past.

    Beyond that, it's a toss up whether or not we were much cooler than we are right now about 5000 years ago. Glaciers are receding to points that are exposing 5000 year old artifacts and mummified people. It is almost a certainty that we are cooler than we were 8000 years ago. How many glaciers in North America are older than 8000 years?

    In the Holocene, we have been warmer than now and cooler than now. After the temperature rise that ended the Ice Age, the temperature has vacillated within about a 2 degree range and we are smack dab in the middle of that range right now.

    The rise of temperature over the last 2000 years has been about 0.7 degrees. This may strike some as an unprecedented and rapid rise in temperature, but it strikes me as astonishing stability. My living room has greater vacillations in temperature in the average winter evening.


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    It's not either or. Look up ice studies in Antarctica.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not remotely what I said. I can only suggest you read it again and try to answer what was actually said.



    You responded to my observation that the 97% figure that you cited was the result of ignoring the 66% who did not either endorse nor deny the proposition. They did write on the topic so they apparently have no opinion on the causation which is an acceptable position.

    It is only by throwing out 66% of the data that you can present the 97% figure. This is acceptable AGW Science, but no other science would accept it nor would they want to.
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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You're quoting without understanding the quote, nor relating it exactly to what we're discussing. The articled point out each brick would have to be shown wrong, and that is correct. You've also been shown good evidence, and that your reading of the charts was inaccurate. Can't do much about your faith, but the evidence is against you.


    The evidence against me? I assure you that i do exist. It is Anthropogenic Global warming that you are not proving.

    I accept that this thing that we are talking about which does not exist is nonexistent.

    You must prove that it does exist. So far all you have done is explain that you have faith that this thing that you cannot prove in fact exists. All I am asking you to do is to prove it.

    You may want to start by explaining how the future causes the past.

    You are free to proceed.
    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's not either or. Look up ice studies in Antarctica.



    What is not either or? If you have proof to present, then please present it. Challenging me to find information to support your assertion is a bit lazy, is it not?

    I do not intend to argue both sides of the issue for you.
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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

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    You responded to my observation that the 97% figure that you cited was the result of ignoring the 66% who did not either endorse nor deny the proposition. They did write on the topic so they apparently have no opinion on the causation which is an acceptable position.

    It is only by throwing out 66% of the data that you can present the 97% figure. This is acceptable AGW Science, but no other science would accept it nor would they want to.
    No, their work merely didn't call for an opinion to be stated. The science spoke. The science supported.

    And no, the acceptance is the same. You merely misstate what is being done.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    The evidence against me? I assure you that i do exist. It is Anthropogenic Global warming that you are not proving.

    I accept that this thing that we are talking about which does not exist is nonexistent.

    You must prove that it does exist. So far all you have done is explain that you have faith that this thing that you cannot prove in fact exists. All I am asking you to do is to prove it.

    You may want to start by explaining how the future causes the past.

    You are free to proceed.

    You faith will let you down.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, their work merely didn't call for an opinion to be stated. The science spoke. The science supported.

    And no, the acceptance is the same. You merely misstate what is being done.


    You are assuming that you are right. Unless you have read all of the nearly 12,000 papers, you don't know what they said and you don't know for certain even what they wrote about.

    All we can know is that there is a group of folks who reviewed the papers, made judgements and came up with a number. The methodology was obviously rigged and the mere fact that they made the judgements they made and tried to contrive the conclusion that they did is outrageous.

    As i have said, since it is AGW Science, this passes for information. It is actually just politics.
    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You faith will let you down.



    This is the standard fall back remark from all AGW Diehards. To prove something, all you need is proof.

    To doubt something, all you need a lack of proof.

    You believe something and have no proof. I doubt something because there is no proof.

    Which of us has faith?
    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

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