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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You're kidding right? So something that AGW proponents want to use as a hammer to bash skeptics over the head with, in terms of "scientific consensus", you have people at the center of this hiding data to make their conclusion work, and you want to laugh that off?

    That's not science friend, that is fraud.
    You dodged the question. Don't hide behind a bunch of links you didn't read. Tell me which data set you think was manipulated and hidden.
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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Two things:

    1. The earth is a large area and we're not likely to build a earth model we can duplicate in that way.

    2. Recreating is but one method of supporting a theory.

    In this threads science has been explained many, many times. Deniers have very little evidence to support them rely on minority opinions and wild misreadings of data to manufacture a position. At some point one has to admit the prevailing evidence is that mam has contributed to the problem.


    What has been that contribution? The Earth has warmed by about 0.7 degrees in the last 2000 years.

    For what percent of that warming is man responsible?

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Two things:

    1. The earth is a large area and we're not likely to build a earth model we can duplicate in that way.

    2. Recreating is but one method of supporting a theory.

    In this threads science has been explained many, many times. Deniers have very little evidence to support them rely on minority opinions and wild misreadings of data to manufacture a position. At some point one has to admit the prevailing evidence is that mam has contributed to the problem.


    There are many questions in this topic area and only one certainty: The best experts that we have don't understand the climate.

    There are at least 20 separate drivers of climate and the interrelations and feedbacks probably number in the thousands or even millions.

    There might be a better understanding of what is happening in the future, but right now today, that understanding is not in hand.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    There are many questions in this topic area and only one certainty: The best experts that we have don't understand the climate.

    There are at least 20 separate drivers of climate and the interrelations and feedbacks probably number in the thousand
    s or even millions.

    There might be a better understanding of what is happening in the future, but right now today, that understanding is not in hand.
    We will learn more, sure. But right now there is good evidence. It is prudent to base decisions on the bet evidence and not just because you don't want it to be true.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You dodged the question. Don't hide behind a bunch of links you didn't read. Tell me which data set you think was manipulated and hidden.
    Well, the possibility exists for much of the data to have been manipulated to fit the conclusion, we know that to be the case because of what was found at East Anglia. If there are questions about the people whom compile the data, and reach the conclusions, why would you continue to place your trust in them as being truthful about this.

    They and the IPCC harmed their own credibility on the issue, and people like you instead of choosing the prudent course and slowing down until we know for a certainty what is going on, you would rather just switch to the boorish progressive method of castigating, mocking, and ridiculing the skeptics surrounding the issue, and continually use fear, and deception to hide the fact that AGW is really nothing more than a foothold for one world government, and global redistribution of wealth through taxation on the mere fact of existence.
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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We will learn more, sure. But right now there is good evidence. It is prudent to base decisions on the bet evidence and not just because you don't want it to be true.


    Me wanting it to be true or not has no impact on whether or not it is true.

    Your desire for it to be true or not has the same impact on the validity or lack of validity to this stuff.

    The assertions of the AGW Proponents are simply that mankind has caused the climate to change and that by employing prudent action, Mankind can both control and direct climate and return to an idyllic perfection that has been ruined. The prudent action suggested is to abandon the use of Fossil fuels. Of course, due to the role played by fossil fuels in our society world wide, this will cause global famine, biblical scale plagues and suffering beyond the ability of our modern sensibilities to grasp.

    Before the global famines, plagues and misery, I'd like to have a little more to go on than the promises of a snake oil salesmen convention.

    If there is proof, I love to see it, but it simply does not exist. If it did, we'd have seen it by now.


    This is a great site for data that dumbs it down to a point at which the layman can understand it. I don't detect a political bias in it, but AGW proponents seem to think that I would not if it was a "Denialist" site. You can make your own judgement. It has tabs for TSI, Temperature, GHG's and about anything else you would like to see the actual data for and not the politicized BS of panic. It's really very interesting.

    climate4you welcome

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Me wanting it to be true or not has no impact on whether or not it is true.

    Your desire for it to be true or not has the same impact on the validity or lack of validity to this stuff.

    The assertions of the AGW Proponents are simply that mankind has caused the climate to change and that by employing prudent action, Mankind can both control and direct climate and return to an idyllic perfection that has been ruined. The prudent action suggested is to abandon the use of Fossil fuels. Of course, due to the role played by fossil fuels in our society world wide, this will cause global famine, biblical scale plagues and suffering beyond the ability of our modern sensibilities to grasp.

    Before the global famines, plagues and misery, I'd like to have a little more to go on than the promises of a snake oil salesmen convention.

    If there is proof, I love to see it, but it simply does not exist. If it did, we'd have seen it by now.


    This is a great site for data that dumbs it down to a point at which the layman can understand it. I don't detect a political bias in it, but AGW proponents seem to think that I would not if it was a "Denialist" site. You can make your own judgement. It has tabs for TSI, Temperature, GHG's and about anything else you would like to see the actual data for and not the politicized BS of panic. It's really very interesting.

    climate4you welcome
    I have no desire one way or another, which is why I am willing to go with the bet available science. And there is much evidence available, the reason why there is a consensus.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, surprise, surprise....Warming is caused by the sun.....


    I am sure that most people will agree that if the Sun went down tonight and never rose again, Earth might get a little cooler.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I have no desire one way or another, which is why I am willing to go with the bet available science. And there is much evidence available, the reason why there is a consensus.

    SPECIAL REPORT: More Than 1000 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims - Challenge UN IPCC & Gore | Climate Depot

    <snip>
    Link to Complete 321-Page PDF Special Report
    INTRODUCTION:
    More than 1,000 dissenting scientists (updates previous 700 scientist report) from around the globe have now challenged man-made global warming claims made by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and former Vice President Al Gore. This new 2010 321-page Climate Depot Special Report -- updated from the 2007 groundbreaking U.S. Senate Report of over 400 scientists who voiced skepticism about the so-called global warming “consensus” -- features the skeptical voices of over 1,000 international scientists, including many current and former UN IPCC scientists, who have now turned against the UN IPCC. This updated 2010 report includes a dramatic increase of over 300 additional (and growing) scientists and climate researchers since the last update in March 2009. This report's release coincides with the 2010 UN global warming summit in being held in Cancun.
    <snip>
    While the scientists contained in this report hold a diverse range of views, they generally rally around several key points. 1) The Earth is currently well within natural climate variability. 2) Almost all climate fear is generated by unproven computer model predictions. 3) An abundance of peer-reviewed studies continue to debunk rising CO2 fears and, 4) "Consensus" has been manufactured for political, not scientific purposes.
    Scientists caution that the key to remember is "climate change is governed by hundreds of factors, or variables," not just CO2. UK Professor Emeritus of Biogeography Philip Stott of the University of London decried the notion that CO2 is the main climate driver. "As I have said, over and over again, the fundamental point has always been this: climate change is governed by hundreds of factors, or variables, and the very idea that we can manage climate change predictably by understanding and manipulating at the margins one politically-selected factor is as misguided as it gets," Stott wrote in 2008. Even the climate activists at RealClimate.org let this fact slip out in a September 20, 2008 article. "The actual temperature rise is an emergent property resulting from interactions among hundreds of factors," RealClimate.org admitted in a rare moment of candor.]
    <snip>

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    SPECIAL REPORT: More Than 1000 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims - Challenge UN IPCC & Gore | Climate Depot

    <snip>
    Link to Complete 321-Page PDF Special Report
    INTRODUCTION:
    More than 1,000 dissenting scientists (updates previous 700 scientist report) from around the globe have now challenged man-made global warming claims made by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and former Vice President Al Gore. This new 2010 321-page Climate Depot Special Report -- updated from the 2007 groundbreaking U.S. Senate Report of over 400 scientists who voiced skepticism about the so-called global warming “consensus” -- features the skeptical voices of over 1,000 international scientists, including many current and former UN IPCC scientists, who have now turned against the UN IPCC. This updated 2010 report includes a dramatic increase of over 300 additional (and growing) scientists and climate researchers since the last update in March 2009. This report's release coincides with the 2010 UN global warming summit in being held in Cancun.
    <snip>
    While the scientists contained in this report hold a diverse range of views, they generally rally around several key points. 1) The Earth is currently well within natural climate variability. 2) Almost all climate fear is generated by unproven computer model predictions. 3) An abundance of peer-reviewed studies continue to debunk rising CO2 fears and, 4) "Consensus" has been manufactured for political, not scientific purposes.
    Scientists caution that the key to remember is "climate change is governed by hundreds of factors, or variables," not just CO2. UK Professor Emeritus of Biogeography Philip Stott of the University of London decried the notion that CO2 is the main climate driver. "As I have said, over and over again, the fundamental point has always been this: climate change is governed by hundreds of factors, or variables, and the very idea that we can manage climate change predictably by understanding and manipulating at the margins one politically-selected factor is as misguided as it gets," Stott wrote in 2008. Even the climate activists at RealClimate.org let this fact slip out in a September 20, 2008 article. "The actual temperature rise is an emergent property resulting from interactions among hundreds of factors," RealClimate.org admitted in a rare moment of candor.]
    <snip>
    You do know his is not accurate, right?

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