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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Can you please post the IPCC's reports indicating that we were all going to freeze? A: no, because there was never any such report or conclusion by the IPCC, nor anything remotely like a consensus on global cooling.

    What I would like to see is even one credible, peer-reviewed paper that explains how pumping gigatons of CO2 into the atmosphere could NOT result in warming. Or for that matter, even one credible paper that proposes an actual explanation for observed warming that does not cite GHG emissions as a major source.
    Can't do that, because the IPCC didn't exist until 1988. There was never a report issued by the IPCC admitting the sun was the center of the solar system either. Your faith in the UN exceeds mine. Their political positions are enough to convince me that they have no business dabbling in scientific enterprises.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Agreed! The largest contributors to pollution are on the other side of the planet, but WE are expected to comply with what are merely scientific theories presented by a group with an agenda with no questions allowed? What's wrong with that picture?
    Absolutely nothing if their intent is to sell insurance to fend off the effects of global warming. If their intent is to change human behavior on a global scale, it's gonna take a bit more than a used car salesman approach.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Absolutely nothing if their intent is to sell insurance to fend off the effects of global warming. If their intent is to change human behavior on a global scale, it's gonna take a bit more than a used car salesman approach.
    I would be most interested in seeing an insurance policy like that, if only to see what "exclusions" are listed...

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Okay, well, post these reports and let's see the scientific data to back up the claim. Because every report I've yet to see a credible report claim that solar activity can account for the warming trend.

    To be clear, everyone acknowledges that solar warming is the primary component to temperature. The question is, has there been any change in solar activity commensurate with the warming we've seen over the last 40 or so years.
    A warming trend has been noted on Mars that has mirrored the warming trend recently experienced here. I'd post the data, but I'm not posting anything like that until the warming mongers post their unfiltered data, too. Seriously, you CAN look this up and verify it for yourself.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

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    Leaked 'climategate' documents show huge flaws in the backbone of climate change science

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    FIRST POSTED: SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 29, 2009 04:03 AM EST | UPDATED: SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 29, 2009 11:29 AM EST
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    I've been poring over one of many leaked computer files from the "climategate" scandal.

    It's worse than those e-mails revealing leading climate scientists did a "trick" to "hide the decline" in global temperatures and privately called it a "travesty" they couldn't explain recent cooling.

    This document has the innocuous header "HARRY_READ_Me.txt."

    I'm indebted to Kate McMillan, the remarkable Canadian blogger who runs smalldeadanimals.com, for calling it to my attention.

    You can easily find it online. I used www.anenglishmanscastle.com/HARRY_READ_Me.txt.

    The file -- 274 pages long -- describes the efforts of a climatologist/programmer at the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia to update a huge statistical database (11,000 files) of important climate data between 2006 and 2009.

    The computer coding, along with the programmer's apparently unsuccessful efforts to complete the project, involve data that are the foundation of the study of climate change -- recordings from hundreds of weather stations around the world of temperature and precipitation measurements from 1901 to 2006, sun/cloud computer simulations, and the like.

    PRESUMABLY PRECISE

    These presumably precise data are the backbone of climate science.

    Reading "HARRY_READ_ME.txt" it's clear the CRU's files were a mess. The programmer laments huge gaps in data, bug-filled programs and worries about all the guesswork he's doing. His comments suggest the problems go back years.

    The CRU at East Anglia University is considered by many as the world's leading climate research agency. Here's how CBSNews.com's Declan McCullagh describes its enormous impact on policymakers:

    "In global warming circles, the CRU wields outsize influence: It claims the world's largest temperature data set, and its work and mathematical models were incorporated into the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's 2007 report. The report ... is what the Environmental Protection Agency acknowledged it 'relies on most heavily' when concluding carbon dioxide emissions endanger public health and should be regulated."

    As you read the programmer's comments below, remember, this is only a fraction of what he says.

    - "But what are all those monthly files? DON'T KNOW, UNDOCUMENTED. Wherever I look, there are data files, no info about what they are other than their names. And that's useless ..." (Page 17)

    - "It's botch after botch after botch." (18)

    - "The biggest immediate problem was the loss of an hour's edits to the program, when the network died ... no explanation from anyone, I hope it's not a return to last year's troubles ... This surely is the worst project I've ever attempted. Eeeek." (31)

    - "Oh, GOD, if I could start this project again and actually argue the case for junking the inherited program suite." (37)

    - "... this should all have been rewritten from scratch a year ago!" (45)

    - "Am I the first person to attempt to get the CRU databases in working order?!!" (47)

    - "As far as I can see, this renders the (weather) station counts totally meaningless." (57)

    - "COBAR AIRPORT AWS (data from an Australian weather station) cannot start in 1962, it didn't open until 1993!" (71)

    - "What the hell is supposed to happen here? Oh yeah -- there is no 'supposed,' I can make it up. So I have : - )" (98)

    - "You can't imagine what this has cost me -- to actually allow the operator to assign false WMO (World Meteorological Organization) codes!! But what else is there in such situations? Especially when dealing with a 'Master' database of dubious provenance ..." (98)

    - "So with a somewhat cynical shrug, I added the nuclear option -- to match every WMO possible, and turn the rest into new stations ... In other words what CRU usually do. It will allow bad databases to pass unnoticed, and good databases to become bad ..." (98-9)

    - "OH F--- THIS. It's Sunday evening, I've worked all weekend, and just when I thought it was done, I'm hitting yet another problem that's based on the hopeless state of our databases." (241).

    - "This whole project is SUCH A MESS ..." (266)

    And based on stuff like this, politicians are going to blow up our economy and lower our standard of living to "fix" the climate?

    Are they insane?

    LORRIE.GOLDSTEIN@SUNMEDIA.CA

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Thanks for the information. The result is the same regardless of the source. It would be helpful if scientists could offer unequivocal evidence that supports the theory they espouse. I understand that sets the bar pretty high for a theory, but considering the consequences of a full throated embrace of their theory, I think it's reasonable. If there wasn't this large element of skepticism from within the scientific community, those of us with limited understanding of such subjects might be a little more accommodating. Besides, I have an entire lifetime of "crisis events" looming as reported by our media and scientific community I can point to that have evaporated over a relatively short time.

    Being able to identify and source the CO2 is not the same thing as being able to demonstrate the connection between warming and CO2 rise.

    Science is able to do a whole bunch of stuff with CO2 and the sourcing and the isotopes and all of that. Providing the causal link between all of the CO2 stuff and the warming that they say must be happening because it must be happening is just not being proven.

    They have a notion that it might be, but this comes nowhere near being a Theory in the scientific sense.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I would be most interested in seeing an insurance policy like that, if only to see what "exclusions" are listed...
    I believe it's safe to say that anything involving remuneration would be excluded. You have to understand the nature of such insurance. It's not about money. It's about staying cool, and the best way to stay cool is to have this insurance. If you don't have it, you're not cool and could be wearing plaid pants.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Something tells me I won't have to wait long before you'll post another freaky conspiracy theory about scientists and Al Gore. I mean, what else do you got but that.

    I'm still waiting for you to reveal that "evolution is only a theory" or something with powerful knownothing roots like that. You need to bump up your denialist game.

    Just to put a point on the lack of credibility due AGW Science, Evolution is a Theory. As such, it provides a great basis for predictability and acts as the basis of biology, genealogy, breeding pathways of plants and animals, is empirically observed in seeing your uncle's nose on your nephew's face and can be used to both explain and predict numerous natural and laboratory events.

    AGW Science has none of these empirically observed events, no predictability and acts as the basis for nothing except the justification of funding and revenue transfers.

    This is the difference between a theory and a notion.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The water level in an Irish bog rose and fell four inches in only three thousand years! Climate science is obviously bunk.


    Good. Keep that mind closed.

    Burn and witches today?

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    There was no "they". Copernicus challenged the scientific consensus at the time with irrefutable evidence. Even the Catholic church was forced to agree - no little thing at that time. Don't you think it's a little odd that the very groups who preach the virtues of an open mind are withholding the information required to make an informed judgement? That information would be the data in question and the computer models employed to analyze it. These two key elements are missing, and we're asked to simply accept the consensus of a portion of the scientific community or be labeled a nut for not acquiescing. I am neither a denier nor an endorser. I am waiting for the evidence to support the claimed consensus, and I intend to change nothing about my life unless and until that evidence is offered.


    In fairness to the Church, they had already been thinking about tit since they threatened Galileo.

    Don't want to make it seem like they drop a belief of centuries over idle speculation.

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