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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by rjay View Post
    Yeah, but they were right about earth not being the center of the Universe, in spite all the scientific wisdom coming from the uneducated masses.
    There was no "they". Copernicus challenged the scientific consensus at the time with irrefutable evidence. Even the Catholic church was forced to agree - no little thing at that time. Don't you think it's a little odd that the very groups who preach the virtues of an open mind are withholding the information required to make an informed judgement? That information would be the data in question and the computer models employed to analyze it. These two key elements are missing, and we're asked to simply accept the consensus of a portion of the scientific community or be labeled a nut for not acquiescing. I am neither a denier nor an endorser. I am waiting for the evidence to support the claimed consensus, and I intend to change nothing about my life unless and until that evidence is offered.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Here's what some real, live scientists say about climate change during the holocene. They seem to think there have been dramatic climate changes relatively often during our little interglacial. When you rely on only the information available from the UN or the DNC, you get a warped picture of the state of the Science.

    Examining the relationships between Holocene climate change, hydrology and human society in Ireland | Philip Stastney - Academia.edu
    The water level in an Irish bog rose and fell four inches in only three thousand years! Climate science is obviously bunk.
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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    There was no "they". Copernicus challenged the scientific consensus at the time with irrefutable evidence. Even the Catholic church was forced to agree - no little thing at that time. Don't you think it's a little odd that the very groups who preach the virtues of an open mind are withholding the information required to make an informed judgement? That information would be the data in question and the computer models employed to analyze it. These two key elements are missing, and we're asked to simply accept the consensus of a portion of the scientific community or be labeled a nut for not acquiescing. I am neither a denier nor an endorser. I am waiting for the evidence to support the claimed consensus, and I intend to change nothing about my life unless and until that evidence is offered.
    The evidence is out there in the individual papers for collection. Those you accuse had more to do than spend their entire careers acting as librarians to the ignorant, who were requesting the information as a harrassment tactic., taking them from their actual work.
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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good morning, Humbolt.

    Indeed!

    Anything stated with absolute certainty means that we should start worrying right away,

    and the opinions of the scientists who disagree by arguing that these are just normal cycles that the planet has gone through for millions of years should be completely ignored.

    There's grant money to consider!
    Good morning to you as well. I see Ocean was here. The global warming community is engaged in a sales campaign. Considering the consequences that they claim, no sales campaign would be necessary if the evidence supported their "consensus". Outside of the fact that on a celestial scale we are nothing, this planet is pretty big in strictly human terms. To say that we are influencing the climate of the entire planet requires some pretty significant proof. We are asked to accept their postulation based on the severity of the possible outcome, without the accompanying proof.What's even more ridiculous, these people expect us to accept their curative measures while simultaneously admitting that those measures offer no cure. I'd much rather they skip the hoopla, and start selling global warming insurance to the unwitting.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The evidence is out there in the individual papers for collection. Those you accuse had more to do than spend their entire careers acting as librarians to the ignorant, who were requesting the information as a harrassment tactic., taking them from their actual work.
    Having read the purloined stuff from East Anglia, I believe certain outspoken members of that particular scientific community should confess their sins. It appears some of those folks spent significant portions of their careers adjusting data to suit an outcome, which is decidedly different than acting as a librarian. One would think that if the evidence exists, some enthusiast would have already collected and published the whole enchilada with much fanfare, given the gravity of the situation they claim.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The evidence is out there in the individual papers for collection. Those you accuse had more to do than spend their entire careers acting as librarians to the ignorant, who were requesting the information as a harrassment tactic., taking them from their actual work.
    Their actual work? Is it too much to expect that both sides might have logical arguments regarding their claims, and that they might be expected to produce data to support their claims? It's a little difficult to accept the findings of a group that claimed we were all going to freeze some years ago, but now claim we are likely to suffer from extreme heat instead. Did they purchase new computers?

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Their actual work? Is it too much to expect that both sides might have logical arguments regarding their claims, and that they might be expected to produce data to support their claims? It's a little difficult to accept the findings of a group that claimed we were all going to freeze some years ago, but now claim we are likely to suffer from extreme heat instead. Did they purchase new computers?
    Can you please post the IPCC's reports indicating that we were all going to freeze? A: no, because there was never any such report or conclusion by the IPCC, nor anything remotely like a consensus on global cooling.

    What I would like to see is even one credible, peer-reviewed paper that explains how pumping gigatons of CO2 into the atmosphere could NOT result in warming. Or for that matter, even one credible paper that proposes an actual explanation for observed warming that does not cite GHG emissions as a major source.
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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Good morning to you as well. I see Ocean was here. The global warming community is engaged in a sales campaign. Considering the consequences that they claim, no sales campaign would be necessary if the evidence supported their "consensus". Outside of the fact that on a celestial scale we are nothing, this planet is pretty big in strictly human terms. To say that we are influencing the climate of the entire planet requires some pretty significant proof. We are asked to accept their postulation based on the severity of the possible outcome, without the accompanying proof.What's even more ridiculous, these people expect us to accept their curative measures while simultaneously admitting that those measures offer no cure. I'd much rather they skip the hoopla, and start selling global warming insurance to the unwitting.
    Agreed! The largest contributors to pollution are on the other side of the planet, but WE are expected to comply with what are merely scientific theories presented by a group with an agenda with no questions allowed? What's wrong with that picture?

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Can you please post the IPCC's reports indicating that we were all going to freeze? A: no, because there was never any such report or conclusion by the IPCC, nor anything remotely like a consensus on global cooling.

    What I would like to see is even one credible, peer-reviewed paper that explains how pumping gigatons of CO2 into the atmosphere could NOT result in warming. Or for that matter, even one credible paper that proposes an actual explanation for observed warming that does not cite GHG emissions as a major source.
    I have seen reports that solar activity is the main culprit, not CO2. Have we then a plan to regulate solar output?

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I have seen reports that solar activity is the main culprit, not CO2. Have we then a plan to regulate solar output?
    Okay, well, post these reports and let's see the scientific data to back up the claim. Because every report I've yet to see a credible report claim that solar activity can account for the warming trend.

    To be clear, everyone acknowledges that solar warming is the primary component to temperature. The question is, has there been any change in solar activity commensurate with the warming we've seen over the last 40 or so years.
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