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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Many people who reject climate change do so because of who is on the opposite side.

    Many republicans in the past, including the last two presidential candidates accepted that man kind is at least partially to blame for climate change.

    If Al Gore wasn't on the opposite side, I guarantee you a large number of antis would accept that man kind is partially to blame. The science isn't what they are against. It's the people. Look at the OP, he didn't even bother to read anything past the first page. Or even go to the original source. They don't give a **** about what the science says either way. It's all about getting back at people they dislike.
    I am sure some of this does go on, politics do make strange bedfellows.
    Like the Feminist groups silence about Bill Clinton's activities with White House employees.
    Science and Politics do not go well together, very different methodologies.
    My issues are not that Humans are not impacting the environment (we clearly are),
    But that the link to Co2 has not been established in a Scientifically verifiable method.
    A rise in Co2 alone would cause some warming, but the warming would not be enough to raise
    alarms.
    To achieve the predictions that raise alarms, it was necessary to add in a forcing factor.
    The Physics mechanism of this forcing, is what has not been defined.
    No one can test the theory, because the details of the theory are not defined.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    GISS begins in 1880. Thermometers existed farther back. Indeed, regular temperatures were recorded at New York City's Central Park beginning in 1869.

    Yes, the ice core data is an example of proxy data. Proxy data provides insight into the temperature record from well before the instrument period.

    By their nature, proxies seem to smooth the climate changes vs instruments.

    The calibration of each instrument is debatable and the consistancy of the recording is also debatable. The recording of temperature has always been very biased to the English speaking world.

    Really, before satellites, the data is pretty well conjecture and estimates. Only a small percent of the globe is well represented.

    Historical Station Distribution Climate Audit

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Many people who reject climate change do so because of who is on the opposite side.

    Many republicans in the past, including the last two presidential candidates accepted that man kind is at least partially to blame for climate change.

    If Al Gore wasn't on the opposite side, I guarantee you a large number of antis would accept that man kind is partially to blame. The science isn't what they are against. It's the people. Look at the OP, he didn't even bother to read anything past the first page. Or even go to the original source. They don't give a **** about what the science says either way. It's all about getting back at people they dislike.


    "Partially to blame" and "able to direct the temperature of the climate through prudent action" are two very different statements.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I'm afraid there are none left on the right who will even admit to global warming at all. The Great "shift" to the Right has purged those thoughts from all Republicans. So your side IS pretty STUCK on denial...and the Koch Bros. moolah too.

    Again, the issue politically is not whether or not it's warming. The issue is whether or not the cause is Anthropogenic CO2 and whether or not mankind can control the climate.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    When climatologist's get my local weather forecast right from day to day, then maybe I'll give them some credence. Til then, you'd do best not to hang your hat on a group of people that have the same collective success rate as a man in a field holding their licked finger in the air and telling you it's going to rain today.

    I am astonished and impressed with the accuracy of the weather predictions.

    I am equally unimpressed by the incompetence of the multi year predictions of the AGW Science proponents.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

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    We're currently in the middle of an ice age.
    We are actually between ice ages.

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    There are multiple theories as to what ended the ice age(s).
    I would be willing to bet one it isn't from driving SUVs with V8 engines.
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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I am sure some of this does go on, politics do make strange bedfellows.
    This I think is the majority of it.

    My issues are not that Humans are not impacting the environment (we clearly are),
    But that the link to Co2 has not been established in a Scientifically verifiable method.
    A rise in Co2 alone would cause some warming, but the warming would not be enough to raise
    alarms.
    Except that there are people out there who deny ENTIRELY that Co2 has any impact upon temperatures. There's no question there is more out there, such as methane and water vapor, but people are flat up denying that Co2 has any impact whatsoever.

    To achieve the predictions that raise alarms, it was necessary to add in a forcing factor.
    The Physics mechanism of this forcing, is what has not been defined.
    No one can test the theory, because the details of the theory are not defined.
    But we know that Co2 is correlated with increased temperatures through out many periods in Earth's history. Increasing Co2 isn't going to help.

    Since the Industrial Revolution, mankind has added roughly a trillion cubic tons of Co2 to the atmosphere. I'd love to see an argument how that doesn't raise temperatures at all.
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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    "Partially to blame" and "able to direct the temperature of the climate through prudent action" are two very different statements.
    Releasing gasses like Co2, Methane and increasing water vapor raises temperatures. Period.

    Therefore, reducing the releases will slow the increase in temperatures.

    The answer is not do nothing, as your side wants merely because we lack data.
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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    When climatologist's get my local weather forecast right from day to day, then maybe I'll give them some credence. Til then, you'd do best not to hang your hat on a group of people that have the same collective success rate as a man in a field holding their licked finger in the air and telling you it's going to rain today.
    Climate versus weather -- another concept conservatives just don't grasp.

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    Re: Report shows UN admitting solar activity may play significant role in global warm

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    UN is greatest detriment to mankind.. it props up tyrants and killers... any rational human is aware of that...

    try EYEONUN...
    I invoke Poe's Law on this one.

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