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Reports: Ex-SEAL/author fatally shot on gun range

Here is a link to an interview with Chris Kyle on O'Reilly that is worth the watch. You'll see a man with real clarity of purpose:

FACTOR INTERVIEW: America
 
Cole said:
Don't think that is the case. At least not at this point. Fallen military war hero shot/killed in a tragic (semi-novel) incident.

The story is newsworthy.
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FIVE Bronze Stars and two Silvers.
 
Cole said:
Don't think that is the case. At least not at this point. Fallen military war hero shot/killed in a tragic (semi-novel) incident.

The story is newsworthy.
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Although I agree that the story individually is news worthy, think about it, there are 5 separate threads alone on the front page of BN forum related to guns, or violence with guns alone...That is 25% of the front page. All talking about essentially the same thing. Why do you think that is?
 
j-mac said:
Although I agree that the story individually is news worthy, think about it, there are 5 separate threads alone on the front page of BN forum related to guns, or violence with guns alone...That is 25% of the front page. All talking about essentially the same thing. Why do you think that is?
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Since Newtown, guns and violence have moved way up the list in this country's consciousness. As for the "25% count" of the BN threads, two of those are "Obama/Skeeter" threads. Which i'd say are appropriately mocking the WH efforts to make Obama out as an empathetic gun shooter.

If/when the press in general tries to exploit the Kyle tragedy. My reaction/response would be to disapprove heartily.
 
Goshin said:
Exactly, thank you.

PTSD is not all one thing; there are levels and degrees of it, and every sufferer has different symptoms and problems. Many vets and others who have experienced traumatic events have mild PTSD that doesn't interfere so much with their day-to-day functionality, unless something "triggers" it and causes them to struggle with re-living the cause of their trauma.

I've known a lot of vets, and a lot of them have some degree of PTSD, but not usually to a degree to make them dangerous or someone you worry about.
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I understand all of this, and I totally respect and commend the man's efforts. My point is that someone without professional training should probably avoid making those types of decisions, especially when it puts numerous people in a potentially dangerous situation.
 
Cole said:
Since Newtown, guns and violence have moved way up the list in this country's consciousness. As for the "25% count" of the BN threads, two of those are "Obama/Skeeter" threads. Which i'd say are appropriately mocking the WH efforts to make Obama out as an empathetic gun shooter.

If/when the press in general tries to exploit the Kyle tragedy. My reaction/response would be to disapprove heartily.
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Well, that's fair...We'll have to wait and see I suppose.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
I understand all of this, and I totally respect and commend the man's efforts. My point is that someone without professional training should probably avoid making those types of decisions, especially when it puts numerous people in a potentially dangerous situation.
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We don't know yet whether Kyle had training or what his foundation's successes were.
 
nota bene said:
We don't know yet whether Kyle had training or what his foundation's successes were.
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well, we know he wasn't a professional in the field. Might he have been qualified enough to deal with this? Sure. But my hunch is that he was a person who's heart was in the right place, but overlooked the seriousness and complexity of what he was getting involved with
 
I think we should wait for more facts before rushing to judgment.
 
nota bene said:
I think we should wait for more facts before rushing to judgment.
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Ok? But I'm giving my general impression of things, not making grand declarations
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
I understand all of this, and I totally respect and commend the man's efforts. My point is that someone without professional training should probably avoid making those types of decisions, especially when it puts numerous people in a potentially dangerous situation.
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Well - we really don't know what they were doing and under what guidance or suggestions . . . it's not uncommon for friends and family to participate in therapy 'sessions'
 
Goshin said:
Exactly, thank you.

PTSD is not all one thing; there are levels and degrees of it, and every sufferer has different symptoms and problems. Many vets and others who have experienced traumatic events have mild PTSD that doesn't interfere so much with their day-to-day functionality, unless something "triggers" it and causes them to struggle with re-living the cause of their trauma.

I've known a lot of vets, and a lot of them have some degree of PTSD, but not usually to a degree to make them dangerous or someone you worry about.
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Yeah- sometimes it affects other things like sleep or intimacy, instead. Or nothing at all until something triggers it - a friend of mine couldn't got to a movie theater to watch violence on the screen. He'd have flashbacks (and we're talking in the 2000's when he fought in Vietnam)
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
I understand all of this, and I totally respect and commend the man's efforts. My point is that someone without professional training should probably avoid making those types of decisions, especially when it puts numerous people in a potentially dangerous situation.
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Some of them just are going to be more comfortable with a buddy type discussion than a "Come sit on my couch and tell me about your dreams" type atmosphere.
 
Fisher said:
Some of them just are going to be more comfortable with a buddy type discussion than a "Come sit on my couch and tell me about your dreams" type atmosphere.
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I understand that. But that doesn't mean the buddy should hand him the keys to a gun cabinet. Which is what I hope didn't happen here
 
j-mac said:
All due condolences to Kyle, and his family....

With that said, is this the tactic now? Gun rights under fire so every single gun incident makes national news to drive the agenda to ban guns? Think about it people, the MSM is trying to shape opinion rather than reporting the news objectively.
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"You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before".
Rahm Emanuel
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
I understand that. But that doesn't mean the buddy should hand him the keys to a gun cabinet. Which is what I hope didn't happen here
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I have not heard that is what happened so I am going to refrain from commenting on it unless I hear for sure that is what happened out of respect for both sides in this tragedy.

I would hope in the very least people would see that we are going to need to try to spend some of the wasted energy trying to take away guns directed at trying to help avoid these types of incidents with better and more proactive mental health services at the very least.
 
Fisher said:
I have not heard that is what happened so I am going to refrain from commenting on it unless I hear for sure that is what happened out of respect for both sides in this tragedy.
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I doubt anyone involved is spending their day on DB. So I don't feel so obligated. Second, my original comment remark on it seemingly being a bad idea, asking a professional to comment, and letter pointing out that it seems a situation best handled by a profession.

Despite the suggestion of others, I never made claims about what actually happened.
 
j-mac said:
All due condolences to Kyle, and his family....

With that said, is this the tactic now? Gun rights under fire so every single gun incident makes national news to drive the agenda to ban guns? Think about it people, the MSM is trying to shape opinion rather than reporting the news objectively.
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Agreed brother. Everytime someone is shot now, it makes the news. I could care less what Chicago's murder rate is but every Monday it seems like we get a national update on it. It's getting old.
 
MarineTpartier said:
Agreed brother. Everytime someone is shot now, it makes the news. I could care less what Chicago's murder rate is but every Monday it seems like we get a national update on it. It's getting old.
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Maybe if other counties next to Chicago had the same gun control regulations then maybe the amount of gun violence would go down. If there is a federal gun law then make it the standard and apply to every state
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Maybe if other counties next to Chicago had the same gun control regulations then maybe the amount of gun violence would go down. If there is a federal gun law then make it the standard and apply to every state
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Yep, typical of a liberal, you miss the entire point of my post. The point is, I DON'T CARE ABOUT CHICAGO'S MURDER RATE!!! I don't know why the media keeps reporting it. Nevermind, yeah I do. They're pushing an agenda
 
MarineTpartier said:
Yep, typical of a liberal, you miss the entire point of my post. The point is, I DON'T CARE ABOUT CHICAGO'S MURDER RATE!!! I don't know why the media keeps reporting it. Nevermind, yeah I do. They're pushing an agenda
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Maybe there is just a sensationalist edge to the story and people are interested. Much like the zombie/bathsalt plague we had over the summer
 
MarineTpartier said:
Agreed brother. Everytime someone is shot now, it makes the news. I could care less what Chicago's murder rate is but every Monday it seems like we get a national update on it. It's getting old.
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Do they mention that almost 80% of the victims are Black?

Just as Black babies are more likely to be aborted so it is with Black on Black crime victims. This is something that should be talked about openly, rather than just mentioning the murder rates alone.
 
Regardless of the motive behind his death, Chris Kyle was a self-serving, cocky bastard who had contempt for people who had balls he could only dream of having -- i.e., the Iraqi resistance fighters who were relying on small arms and whatever explosives they could scrounge up to take on the most powerful military in the world. He was also a liar, as the Jesse Ventura case shows.
 
MaggieD said:
Hindsight's 20/20.

What it does flag, that's rather topical, is whether or not he should have been able to own a gun...
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Let's not start that **** here on this thread!
 
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