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    Re: Reports: Ex-SEAL/author fatally shot on gun range

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    who takes a guy with PTSD to a gun range? Maybe CC can chime in here, but that seems like a horrible idea
    It seems counter-intuitive to me too. As does getting troubled children involved with weapons as a family activity. The Springfield High School shooter (in Oregon) and the Sandy Hook shooters, have that in common and didn't live to see how that activity harmed others.

    AS has described a possible answer as to why and how it works, but if that's the case, there needs to be some kind of better protocol as to how it's done.

    I hope CC will take a look at this thread.

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    Re: Reports: Ex-SEAL/author fatally shot on gun range

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    They actually do firearm therapy and things of that nature. Some PTSD sufferers are always in the state of 'being on duty' - they can't relax, they can't take it easy. They're stuck in mode and always on edge. Or - they have bouts of it, high tension coming and going. The goal is often to try to get sufferers to 'come down' from their heightened persistent state of 'active awareness' - Sometimes they do it in a slow progression - working firearm therapy in with normal living situations. . . and slowly peter out to where it's mostly living and little firearm. For other's it's a routine use of the range in order to get a handle on their breathing / pulse and stressors because being focused on their target is the only time they have a firm grip on their physical self. It's the only way they can relax and eventually they learn to use those methods in other situations such as driving and in crowded places that trigger events.

    Its very beneficial to some sufferers - they're not all a volatile time bomb. PTSD affects people in different ways. They can't all be treated the same.

    I'm just tossing this in - I'm not really saying this what they were doing, etc - just food for thought.

    Exactly, thank you.

    PTSD is not all one thing; there are levels and degrees of it, and every sufferer has different symptoms and problems. Many vets and others who have experienced traumatic events have mild PTSD that doesn't interfere so much with their day-to-day functionality, unless something "triggers" it and causes them to struggle with re-living the cause of their trauma.

    I've known a lot of vets, and a lot of them have some degree of PTSD, but not usually to a degree to make them dangerous or someone you worry about.

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    Re: Reports: Ex-SEAL/author fatally shot on gun range

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    It seems counter-intuitive to me too. As does getting troubled children involved with weapons as a family activity. The Springfield High School shooter (in Oregon) and the Sandy Hook shooters, have that in common and didn't live to see how that activity harmed others.

    AS has described a possible answer as to why and how it works, but if that's the case, there needs to be some kind of better protocol as to how it's done.

    I hope CC will take a look at this thread.
    If anything, it seems like a complicated enough issue, allowing enough serious consequences, that I would really question it being handled by someone with no professional training, in a rather uncontrolled environment

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    Re: Reports: Ex-SEAL/author fatally shot on gun range

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    If anything, it seems like a complicated enough issue, allowing enough serious consequences, that I would really question it being handled by someone with no professional training, in a rather uncontrolled environment
    I've read a bit about the victim in a couple articles now, how this was his way of trying to help his fellow veterans, but indeed, there needs to be more control or training involved. I don't know, maybe he did have some psychological training? But if he didn't, others doing the same, need to get some. For their safety and anyone else who would be around that situation at a shooting range.

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    Re: Reports: Ex-SEAL/author fatally shot on gun range

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Well, if that is the case, taking him on the gun range wasn't such a good idea.

    Apparently, taking vets with PTSD to the range was part of the healing process. From Reuters:

    According to a posting on a website run by members of the Special Operations Forces community, Kyle had been volunteering his time to help Marine Corps veterans suffering from PTSD and mentoring them.

    "Part of this process involved taking these veterans to the range," said the posting on SOFREP.com.

    WFAA-TV in Dallas-Fort Worth reported that the two men had taken Routh to the shooting range for the day to help him deal with his PTSD.

    Texas man arraigned on murder charges in shooting of 'American Sniper' | Reuters

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    Re: Reports: Ex-SEAL/author fatally shot on gun range

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not at all...Local media often is filled with the local events of crimes for that area that they cover. What I am saying is that the blitz by the national MSM, is clearly pushing an agenda by sensationalizing every gun incident they can find....And in turn trying to lead the sheep to slaughter by making the "evil gun" the problem.
    Don't think that is the case. At least not at this point. Fallen military war hero shot/killed in a tragic (semi-novel) incident.

    The story is newsworthy.


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    Re: Reports: Ex-SEAL/author fatally shot on gun range

    Here is a link to an interview with Chris Kyle on O'Reilly that is worth the watch. You'll see a man with real clarity of purpose:

    FACTOR INTERVIEW: America

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    Re: Reports: Ex-SEAL/author fatally shot on gun range

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    Don't think that is the case. At least not at this point. Fallen military war hero shot/killed in a tragic (semi-novel) incident.

    The story is newsworthy.
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    Re: Reports: Ex-SEAL/author fatally shot on gun range

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    Don't think that is the case. At least not at this point. Fallen military war hero shot/killed in a tragic (semi-novel) incident.

    The story is newsworthy.
    Although I agree that the story individually is news worthy, think about it, there are 5 separate threads alone on the front page of BN forum related to guns, or violence with guns alone...That is 25% of the front page. All talking about essentially the same thing. Why do you think that is?
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    Re: Reports: Ex-SEAL/author fatally shot on gun range

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Here is a link to an interview with Chris Kyle on O'Reilly that is worth the watch. You'll see a man with real clarity of purpose:

    FACTOR INTERVIEW: America
    Great link. Thank you.


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