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    Re: Reports: Ex-SEAL/author fatally shot on gun range

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Just heard on FOX the shooter was a guy with PTSD that Kyle had been trying to help, very sad.

    who takes a guy with PTSD to a gun range? Maybe CC can chime in here, but that seems like a horrible idea

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    Re: Reports: Ex-SEAL/author fatally shot on gun range

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Hindsight's 20/20.
    seems like common sense, tbh. But maybe they were working under the guidance of a mental health professional

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    Re: Reports: Ex-SEAL/author fatally shot on gun range

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    All due condolences to Kyle, and his family....

    With that said, is this the tactic now? Gun rights under fire so every single gun incident makes national news to drive the agenda to ban guns? Think about it people, the MSM is trying to shape opinion rather than reporting the news objectively.

    Are you saying that the MSM should ignore these events and not report them at all?

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    Re: Reports: Ex-SEAL/author fatally shot on gun range

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Are you saying that the MSM should ignore these events and not report them at all?
    Not at all...Local media often is filled with the local events of crimes for that area that they cover. What I am saying is that the blitz by the national MSM, is clearly pushing an agenda by sensationalizing every gun incident they can find....And in turn trying to lead the sheep to slaughter by making the "evil gun" the problem.
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    Re: Reports: Ex-SEAL/author fatally shot on gun range

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    All due condolences to Kyle, and his family....

    With that said, is this the tactic now? Gun rights under fire so every single gun incident makes national news to drive the agenda to ban guns? Think about it people, the MSM is trying to shape opinion rather than reporting the news objectively.
    Well..no...actually. Every single incident involving children...sure. Every single incident involving someone pro-firearm...absolutely. But every single incident involving...say...mother that has now lost all 4 of her children to hood violence? No. Black people shooting black people? Perish the thought.

    Its all about the victims and how they can be exploited for argument sake. Every tragic loss that CAN be exploited of course WILL be exploited. But the vast majority of deaths in this country? You wont hear a word about them.

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    Re: Reports: Ex-SEAL/author fatally shot on gun range

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Well..no...actually. Every single incident involving children...sure. Every single incident involving someone pro-firearm...absolutely. But every single incident involving...say...mother that has now lost all 4 of her children to hood violence? No. Black people shooting black people? Perish the thought.

    Its all about the victims and how they can be exploited for argument sake. Every tragic loss that CAN be exploited of course WILL be exploited. But the vast majority of deaths in this country? You wont hear a word about them.

    It's the "exploitation" that should be watched closely. Too many today rely on talking point blather, focused, and pushed by today's MSM that is a problem.
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    Reports: Ex-SEAL/author fatally shot on gun range

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It's the "exploitation" that should be watched closely. Too many today rely on talking point blather, focused, and pushed by today's MSM that is a problem.
    no doubt. We are a talking points nation. We have pretty good examples of how parties will promote an idea in a 15 second sound bite, repeat over and over and over and over and in short order, far too many people are nodding like zombies.

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    Re: Reports: Ex-SEAL/author fatally shot on gun range

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It's the "exploitation" that should be watched closely. Too many today rely on talking point blather, focused, and pushed by today's MSM that is a problem.
    This is rather ironic, considering the intirety of the idea you are putting forward is a talking point itsel., propogated by the media.

    In your case that media just happens to be unapologetically right wing

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    Re: Reports: Ex-SEAL/author fatally shot on gun range

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    who takes a guy with PTSD to a gun range? Maybe CC can chime in here, but that seems like a horrible idea
    They actually do firearm therapy and things of that nature. Some PTSD sufferers are always in the state of 'being on duty' - they can't relax, they can't take it easy. They're stuck in mode and always on edge. Or - they have bouts of it, high tension coming and going. The goal is often to try to get sufferers to 'come down' from their heightened persistent state of 'active awareness' - Sometimes they do it in a slow progression - working firearm therapy in with normal living situations. . . and slowly peter out to where it's mostly living and little firearm. For other's it's a routine use of the range in order to get a handle on their breathing / pulse and stressors because being focused on their target is the only time they have a firm grip on their physical self. It's the only way they can relax and eventually they learn to use those methods in other situations such as driving and in crowded places that trigger events.

    Its very beneficial to some sufferers - they're not all a volatile time bomb. PTSD affects people in different ways. They can't all be treated the same.

    I'm just tossing this in - I'm not really saying this what they were doing, etc - just food for thought.
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    Re: Reports: Ex-SEAL/author fatally shot on gun range

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not at all...Local media often is filled with the local events of crimes for that area that they cover. What I am saying is that the blitz by the national MSM, is clearly pushing an agenda by sensationalizing every gun incident they can find....And in turn trying to lead the sheep to slaughter by making the "evil gun" the problem.
    I disagree, it is clearly NOT every gun incident, but using very careful selection of the proper perp/victim classes. Of the over 500 gun murders, and countless other shooting incidents in Chicago, how many made the MSM national scene? The emphasis is on the "everyman" (suburban white, young or female) aspect of the victims and/or the "special" weapons used to commit those selected gun crimes. If the perp is a big city thug/gansta and the victim is a big city thug/gansta, that will never justify imposition of general gun control sanctions, or greatly concern 90% of the population (they KNOW how to avoid "the hood"); so even though these are the "typical" gun crimes, they must be ignored to get the desired political result (fear of the suburban masses).
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