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    Re: Obama: "No doubt" Congress will pass immigration, gun bills in coming months

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I mean only to people who define infringement in your special way.
    You mean in the correct way and not in a completely dishonest bull**** kind of way like you think you can get away with. Is that about right?

    Or we could just legally sell guns to crazy folks. Clearly that's been a really good strategy, and exactly what the founders intended.
    Yeah, because it doesn't stop them from having guns. Good job keeping up with how rights work and how the second amendment works.

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    Re: Obama: "No doubt" Congress will pass immigration, gun bills in coming months

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    According to the definition of the word "person" at that time, it didn't mean black people. We can't just take everything according to the meaning of words then.
    So you are going to try to defeat me with a subjective term argument? Good luck with that.

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    Re: Obama: "No doubt" Congress will pass immigration, gun bills in coming months

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yeah, because it doesn't stop them from having guns. Good job keeping up with how rights work and how the second amendment works.

    Then we something that does keep them from having guns. Here's a primer for you: Crazy guy gets an idea in his head to shoot up a McDonald's, so he goes to buy a gun and then kills 20 people because the voices in his head tell him to. Or, background checks turn up that he was just released from the mental ward where he was hospitalized for schizophrenia, and he can't buy it. Not legally at least. Murder laws don't deter murderers, but that doesn't mean we make murder legal.


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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Obama: "No doubt" Congress will pass immigration, gun bills in coming months

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    According to the definition of the word at the time of the writing of the second amendment you are 100% wrong.
    That's your opinion.
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    Re: Obama: "No doubt" Congress will pass immigration, gun bills in coming months

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That's your opinion.
    The definition is my opinion?

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    Re: Obama: "No doubt" Congress will pass immigration, gun bills in coming months

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    With 92% public support for extending background checks for all gun sales, those that oppose it in the House, do so at their own political risk. When have we ever seen this strong public support for anything?
    the only way to enforce that is complete gun registration which requires destruction of the fourth amendment

    ask people if they support unannounced searches in the middle of the night or jailing a father for giving his adult son or wife a gun without having a BGC done



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    Re: Obama: "No doubt" Congress will pass immigration, gun bills in coming months

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Then we something that does keep them from having guns. Here's a primer for you: Crazy guy gets an idea in his head to shoot up a McDonald's, so he goes to buy a gun and then kills 20 people because the voices in his head tell him to. Or, background checks turn up that he was just released from the mental ward where he was hospitalized for schizophrenia, and he can't buy it. Not legally at least. Murder laws don't deter murderers, but that doesn't mean we make murder legal.
    Freedom has risks. I see no reason to restrict it because you're scared of bad things.

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    Re: Obama: "No doubt" Congress will pass immigration, gun bills in coming months

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    With 92% public support for extending background checks for all gun sales, those that oppose it in the House, do so at their own political risk. When have we ever seen this strong public support for anything?
    I don't see how the Commerce Clause could possibly enable universal background checks. That seems like something that would have to be done at the state level. Even as expanded as the Commerce Clause has become, I don't see a argument that would cover all private sales between parties in the same state.

    If such a bill went through, would anything be off limits for congress?

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    Re: Obama: "No doubt" Congress will pass immigration, gun bills in coming months

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    I don't see how the Commerce Clause could possibly enable universal background checks. That seems like something that would have to be done at the state level. Even as expanded as the Commerce Clause has become, I don't see a argument that would cover all private sales between parties in the same state.

    If such a bill went through, would anything be off limits for congress?
    under Lopez I doubt the interstate commerce nexus would be found to exist to make someone register a gun they have owned for decades.



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    Re: Obama: "No doubt" Congress will pass immigration, gun bills in coming months

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    I don't see how the Commerce Clause could possibly enable universal background checks. That seems like something that would have to be done at the state level. Even as expanded as the Commerce Clause has become, I don't see a argument that would cover all private sales between parties in the same state.

    If such a bill went through, would anything be off limits for congress?
    Well, beginning 1/1/2014 you will be required to purchase health care. What makes you think background checks would be any different? They'll just call it a tax on the sale...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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