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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    They are being treated differently...

    What do you call this dude?

    MSA Home | University of Michigan Muslim Students' Association
    thanks for the link
    it enables me to document that the muslim club is open to those of any (or no) faith:
    Section 1: The General Body of the MSA will consist of Members as defined below. Members
    are those who have met the following criteria, as interpreted by the Executive Board, which shall
    not discriminate on the basis of race, sex, gender, religion, sect/creed, national origin or ancestry,
    age, ability status, marital status, or sexual orientation: members must be University Students,
    Staff, or Faculty from a college in the Ann Arbor vicinity
    too bad the same cannot be said of that Christian organization which wants to have the right to exclude non-Christians
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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    They are being treated differently...

    What do you call this dude?

    MSA Home | University of Michigan Muslim Students' Association
    Quote from that very site:
    Members are those who have met the folllwing criteria, as interpreted by the Executive Board, which shall not discriminate on the basis of race, sex, gender, religion, sect/creed, national origin or ancestry, age, ability, status, marital status, or sexual orientation: members must be University Students, Staff or Faculty from a college in the Ann Arbor vicinity.
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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    thanks for the link
    it enables me to document that the muslim club is open to those of any (or no) faith:

    too bad the same cannot be said of that Christian organization which wants to have the right to exclude non-Christians
    Damn! Beat me to it.
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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Show me a ****ing club that has leadership that contradicts the clubs ideas...
    Even without explicit rules excluding non-Christians from being leaders, all of those Christian organizations manage to achieve the non-contradiction goal. How do they do that?
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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Do you understand your argument?

    Society has become retarded when it is foreign to a mind that being christian should be a prerequisite to being a member of a "christian club."

    I don't understand the idea that a christian club needs non-christians - it makes no damn sense whatsoever to me.

    Show me a ****ing club that has leadership that contradicts the clubs ideas - if you can do that I will eat my beard.
    show me a club that would ELECT to its leadership someone who did not have acceptable views to the majority of those who cast ballots in the election
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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Oh, fun note about the Club that Mr. Nick linked to. The website has the Clubs constitution...you konw, it's written down laws. You can find it HERE

    Looky here:



    You can also see under Operations their procedures for being elected to the executive board. You will note that there is no requirement what so ever in terms of being a Muslim or signing a statement of faith regarding Islam.
    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    thanks for the link
    it enables me to document that the muslim club is open to those of any (or no) faith:

    too bad the same cannot be said of that Christian organization which wants to have the right to exclude non-Christians
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    Quote from that very site:


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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I call it a club focused around Islam.

    Similar to the 16 other clubs focused around Christianity.

    Do you have any evidence what so ever that they have a requirement in their clubs bylaws that one must be muslim to be a member or to be a part of the groups leadership?
    Are you serious??? hahaha

    You may as well say one doesn't need to know a damn thing about chess to join the chess club.

    What the hell is wrong with you?

    I know you understand my point yet you continually side-step it.

    It would be illogical to join a club in which you know nothing about the clubs intent, convictions etc. What sort of idiot would join a club when they don't believe in their ideologies to begin with?

    Besides, since when is membership to a club a right?

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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Do you understand your argument?
    I understand my argument and this situation fully. You're the one whose repeatedly seemingly had zero understanding or clue what is actually occuring.

    Society has become retarded when it is foreign to a mind that being christian should be a prerequisite to being a member of a "christian club."
    No one is saying it's "foreign to a mind" that such a prerequisite may be there. Some, including myself, even suggests the zero toleranec type rule on discrimination is rather dumb. However, that doesn't change the fact that it IS there, it DOESN'T actually stop the club from only having Christian leadership, and the University went out of their way to basically tell them as much...and they still refused to adhere to the policy EVERY OTHER CLUB adheres to. That's the muslim club, the jew club, the asian club, even the 16 other CHRISTIAN CLUBS, all adhere to it.

    You want to move the goal posts into arguing about soceities foolishness because you yourself have acted foolish in your continual attempt to argue this issue while remaining ignorant about the actual facts of the case and as you already said, you can't admit you're ever wrong so you're trying to change the subject.

    I don't understand the idea that a christian club needs non-christians - it makes no damn sense whatsoever to me.
    Who said it NEEDS non-christians? It doesn't NEED it. There's no requirement that they have a non-christian in the club. The only requirement is that if someone is interested in joining they can't be BARRED from joining or being in leadership.

    Show me a ****ing club that has leadership that contradicts the clubs ideas - if you can do that I will eat my beard.
    NO ONE is saying that a club can't make sure leadership oesn't contradict the clubs ideas. Hell, the University all but acknowledged that by suggesting that all the club had to do was take it out of writing and it could go on doing the same thing it's been doing without any problem at all. The majority of people on this thread acknowledge, and many even support, the notion that a black clubs leadership is almost aways going to be black...a muslim clubs leadership is almost always going to be muslim...a christians clubs leadership is almost always going to be christian....etc. The issue is having it in writing, as part of the bylaws, making it enforced discrimination rather than discrimination by realistic happenstance.

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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Besides, since when is membership to a club a right?
    Since when is University approval of a club a right?
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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    show me a club that would ELECT to its leadership someone who did not have acceptable views to the majority of those who cast ballots in the election
    That's the whole point - they wouldn't.

    A better question to ask is: why anyone would join a club they're opposed to or don't care for then expect to be leadership of that club.

    May as well make me being a capitalist leadership in a communist club.... Maybe as a christian I can be leadership in a Muslim club, or possibly a leadership role in a black club....

    Does "get in where you fit in" mean anything to anyone?

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