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University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus[W: 196]

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Anyone can do anything they want...

Unless what they want to do is join a Christian club in order to learn about Christianity even though they are not themselves Christian, of course.
 
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Really? That university shouldn't have any groups since they apparently believe that everyone has to be the same to be equal. Honestly what's the point of finding solidarity with like minded people in a group if your group isn't allowed to be run by like minded people? It's just stupid.

Nobody said it wasn't allowed.
 
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Nobody said it wasn't allowed.

My post is in reference to the OP article where a university sponsored club is not allowed to be university sponsored without becoming non-specific in their leadership in order for everything to be fair and equal.

I'm sure you knew that though...
 
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Assuming public school funds are used to subsidize the clubs, then enforcing anti-discrimination rules is legally required and appropriate.
 
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Really? That university shouldn't have any groups since they apparently believe that everyone has to be the same to be equal. Honestly what's the point of finding solidarity with like minded people in a group if your group isn't allowed to be run by like minded people? It's just stupid.

I doubt any non-Christians would want to join. If a few did, I don't see any likelihood of harm from their attendance at events. Non-discrimination is the price you pay for obtaining a government funded subsidy.
 
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Thus making an explicit rule excluding them from such roles little more than an open attempt to flaunt the Universities rules in order to feign persecution.

We have a winner!
 
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I doubt any non-Christians would want to join. If a few did, I don't see any likelihood of harm from their attendance at events. Non-discrimination is the price you pay for obtaining a government funded subsidy.

That's where the common sense comes in, creating a specific group isn't discriminating...

If I wanted to join club soccer at my university should they be forced to let me play if the only sport I ever took up was golf?
 
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My post is in reference to the OP article where a university sponsored club is not allowed to be university sponsored without becoming non-specific in their leadership in order for everything to be fair and equal.

I'm sure you knew that though...

Sixteen other Christian groups at that university have no problem accommodating the equality rules. This bunch are seeking martyrdom by refusing to comply.
 
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Sixteen other Christian groups at that university have no problem accommodating the equality rules. This bunch are seeking martyrdom by refusing to comply.

A lot of other groups gave in too, it doesn't make the university any less ridiculous.
 
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What did they give up, exactly?
 
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A lot of other groups gave in too, it doesn't make the university any less ridiculous.

Gave in to federal law, yes.

The federal government, or state government of Michigan, will not fund discrimination on the basis of religion. I'm really sorry that this bothers you so much. You are, of course, free to start a club without that subsidy and then you can make being a Christian a requirement for leadership.

I know it's frustrating. The federal government, for some reason, refuses to fund my human sacrifice cult. Killing people in the name of Velariak the Destroyer is the core part of my religious beliefs, and they have the nerve to say that human sacrifice violates university rules.
 
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Does UM have classes in Black Studies? Chicano Studies? If so, are those subjects racially based?
 
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Does UM have classes in Black Studies? Chicano Studies? If so, are those subjects racially based?

People of any race can join clubs based on either of those things. Put the race card back in the deck.
 
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People of any race can join clubs based on either of those things. Put the race card back in the deck.

A list of ethnic organizations at UM.

Student Clubs | University of Michigan

And evidently non Christians can joint the club in question. Try to answer in an intelligent manner.
 
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Unless what they want to do is join a Christian club in order to learn about Christianity even though they are not themselves Christian, of course.

Why the **** would someone join a club that doesn't adhere to their beliefs?

Those that join a club who don't agree with their ideals should be degraded by the group.

The notion you actually believe a non-christian is entitled to joining a christian club - not to mention should have the opportunity to have a leadership role is absolutely ridiculous.

Can I please have a leadership role in a lesbian, bisexual transgender or whatever it is (LBGT) club despite the fact I'm not gay? maybe a leadership role in the NAACP? How about the feminist movement? can I have a role in their club too?

The idiocy of you people is astounding.
 
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Gave in to federal law, yes.

The federal government, or state government of Michigan, will not fund discrimination on the basis of religion. I'm really sorry that this bothers you so much. You are, of course, free to start a club without that subsidy and then you can make being a Christian a requirement for leadership.

I know it's frustrating. The federal government, for some reason, refuses to fund my human sacrifice cult. Killing people in the name of Velariak the Destroyer is the core part of my religious beliefs, and they have the nerve to say that human sacrifice violates university rules.

Stupidity bothers me.

Making it a requirement that a Christian group allows non-christians to be leaders of that group isn't discriminating. If it was a multi-religions group then it would be.

A little common sense is all I'm asking for.
 
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Apparently the posters here are too goddamn stupid to comprehend the idea of a club and why it's a "club."

What the **** is wrong with some of you people?

What the **** is the point of creating a club if anyone and everyone can just walk in and claim membership? it's a ****ing club dummies. The whole ****ing point is to segregate others while hot button issues are discussed (at least in this club) without having dissenters.

It's amazing how stupid society actually is...
 
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Furthermore I love the fact that alleged libertarians and conservatives are backing this bull****. Two seconds later they will turn around and complain about authoritarianism.

I've just lost respect for the majority on this site.
 
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I've just lost respect for the majority on this site.

That's such a shame, because we all were really craving your respect.
 
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That's such a shame, because we all were really craving your respect.

Yeah nice post dummy...

You elaborated on none of the substance you ****ing loser.

Try again.
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Time to tone it way down. Keep it on topic and civil.
 
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Really? That university shouldn't have any groups since they apparently believe that everyone has to be the same to be equal.
Don't tell stupid lies, it makes you look bad. The University is obviously not trying to make everyone the same. You need to learn the difference between equality and equal opportunities.

Honestly what's the point of finding solidarity with like minded people in a group if your group isn't allowed to be run by like minded people? It's just stupid.
There's nothing wrong with that and nothing stopping people forming such an club. They just can't do it in the context of being a formally supported University organisation unless they can find away to work within the rules of the University.

Think of it this way; If someone wants to join the Christian club, they have to follow the club's rules just as if the Christian club wants to be part of the wider University "club", they have to follow the University rules.
 
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Does UM have classes in Black Studies? Chicano Studies? If so, are those subjects racially based?

First, comparing classes to clubs is like comparing apples to spaghetti

Second, even if they have some such classes (entirely possible) I would almost guarantee they don't have a requirement that one be of that race to join the class
 
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Don't tell stupid lies, it makes you look bad. The University is obviously not trying to make everyone the same. You need to learn the difference between equality and equal opportunities.

There's nothing wrong with that and nothing stopping people forming such an club. They just can't do it in the context of being a formally supported University organisation unless they can find away to work within the rules of the University.

Think of it this way; If someone wants to join the Christian club, they have to follow the club's rules just as if the Christian club wants to be part of the wider University "club", they have to follow the University rules.

I don't lie. I may be mistaken from time to time or misinformed, it happens to the best of us but I don't lie. I'm not the type of poster who goes around calling other people liars or likes to insult random people on the internet who you have never even met so if you're that type of poster (and I'm not saying that you are) I'm going to ask you to please refrain from responding to me.

I said it before and I stand by what I said, this isn't about equality or equal opportunity it's a freaking club. If the university can't handle the fact that clubs are by their nature limited to common held beliefs, attitudes, world paradigms than they shouldn't be having any clubs that recognize and celebrate us for our differences.
 
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That's an ironic choice of phrase in the context of a thread about a Christian organisation.

Where is the irony? Do you feel Christians are sheep?
I'm suggesting exactly the opposite. Without the social aspects at University, a student might only ever see the people they're living with and the people on their course. The social clubs and societies are supported by Universities to encourage students on different courses, maybe even at different sites, to interact as part of the University as a whole. In my opinion, I think this would be better served by clubs open to anyone interested in joining, unifying rather than divisive.

They might mingle with others or they might not. That is their call to make under free association and no one else should interfere with their personal decisions.
That isn't to say I don't think Christians (or indeed anyone else) shouldn't form exclusive clubs, societies or churches, only that I'm not sure whether that kind of organisation is as much benefit to the University as a whole.

They are not their to benefit the University. they are there to get an education. the university is supposed to benefit them, and interfering in their personal lives in this way has no clear benefit.

My personal opinion has absolutely nothing to do with this Universities policy. I guess it was my fault from trying to inject a little wider philosophy in to the discussion.

Wider philosophoes can be beneficial but sometimes they stray to far from the topic.
 
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