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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Because that is exactly what they're doing here.

    Let me ask you this? how many clubs do they have on campus?

    Oh never mind I'll do the research myself once I get back from the store.

    If they have one ****ing club that means this is blatant discrimination.
    I already answered this. There are 20 Christian clubs on the official University of Michigan list, including the one allegedly banned. There are also 2 Jewish, 1 Moslem and 1 Hindu clubs.
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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Because that is exactly what they're doing here.

    Let me ask you this? how many clubs do they have on campus?

    Oh never mind I'll do the research myself once I get back from the store.

    If they have one ****ing club that means this is blatant discrimination.
    I'll research it for you. Here's the link to their list of clubs UoM clubs

    Here's their list of religious clubs alone:

    Adventist Students for Christ
    Campus Crusade for Christ
    Campus Ministry, First Presbyterian Church of Ann Arbor (NICHE)
    Campus Chapel
    A Christian Reformed ministry to U-M students, faculty, and staff.
    Chabad House
    Chinese Christian Fellowship
    Christian Challenge
    Christians on Campus
    Christ Knox
    Episcopal Center: Welcome to Canterbury House!
    Good News Christian A Cappella
    Gospel Chorale
    Graduate Christian Fellowship
    Hillel
    Hindu Students Council
    His House Christian Fellowship
    Indonesian Christian Church
    Intervarsity Christian Fellowship <----- The One in Question
    Muslim Students' Association
    New Life Church
    St. Mary Student Parish
    Students In Christ
    University Christian Outreach
    Wesley Foundation
    A Reconciling Campus Ministry of the United Methodist Church
    All those in Bold are obvoiusly CHRISTIAN groups that University of Michigan allow on campus. However they likely, unlike the one in question, don't have a requirement in their rules that one must be Christian to hold a leadership position or to join the group...thus adhering to the anti-discrimination policy.

    That's 16 clear Christian clubs, with a few more likely in there with ambiguous names.

    Will non-Christians likely join the clubs? Probably not. Just like it's unlikely a black guy will join an Asian American club or a white guy would join a Traditionally Black Fraternity. But there's a difference of it essentially being restricted due to defacto human nature, and actually having the restrictions placed in the bylaws of the club.

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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I already answered this. There are 20 Christian clubs on the official University of Michigan list, including the one allegedly banned. There are also 2 Jewish, 1 Moslem and 1 Hindu clubs.
    Then they are definitely persecuting Christians. I mean, they are only represented by 5 times as many clubs as those three other major religions have representing them combined. that's just not fair. christian clubs shold represent at least 95% of the total religious-themed clubs at any given school.
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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Then they are definitely persecuting Christians. I mean, they are only represented by 5 times as many clubs as those three other major religions have representing them combined. that's just not fair. christian clubs shold represent at least 95% of the total religious-themed clubs at any given school.
    Yup. Discrimination, I tell ya! How they'd feel at my old Alma Mater where we had 2 Christian socs: Christian Union and CathSoc. That was it. There was also a Satanist Club, a Wiccan Club and a Norse Pagan society. Mind you, that was the Eighties and England.
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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    no. this is another example where a Christian organization wants to pretend it is being treated differently only because it is not being treated differently
    They are being treated differently...

    What do you call this dude?

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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    They are being treated differently...

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    MSA Home | University of Michigan Muslim Students' Association
    I call it a club focused around Islam.

    Similar to the 16 other clubs focused around Christianity.

    Do you have any evidence what so ever that they have a requirement in their clubs bylaws that one must be muslim to be a member or to be a part of the groups leadership?

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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Yup. Discrimination, I tell ya! How they'd feel at my old Alma Mater where we had 2 Christian socs: Christian Union and CathSoc. That was it. There was also a Satanist Club, a Wiccan Club and a Norse Pagan society. Mind you, that was the Eighties and England.
    But did the Christian Union offer everyone the choice between cake or death? If so, then it's alright.
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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'll research it for you. Here's the link to their list of clubs UoM clubs

    Here's their list of religious clubs alone:



    All those in Bold are obvoiusly CHRISTIAN groups that University of Michigan allow on campus. However they likely, unlike the one in question, don't have a requirement in their rules that one must be Christian to hold a leadership position or to join the group...thus adhering to the anti-discrimination policy.

    That's 16 clear Christian clubs, with a few more likely in there with ambiguous names.

    Will non-Christians likely join the clubs? Probably not. Just like it's unlikely a black guy will join an Asian American club or a white guy would join a Traditionally Black Fraternity. But there's a difference of it essentially being restricted due to defacto human nature, and actually having the restrictions placed in the bylaws of the club.
    Do you understand your argument?

    Society has become retarded when it is foreign to a mind that being christian should be a prerequisite to being a member of a "christian club."

    I don't understand the idea that a christian club needs non-christians - it makes no damn sense whatsoever to me.

    Show me a ****ing club that has leadership that contradicts the clubs ideas - if you can do that I will eat my beard.

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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    They are being treated differently...

    What do you call this dude?

    MSA Home | University of Michigan Muslim Students' Association
    did you read the MSA constitution which is linked?

    "Section *1: The General Body of the MSA will consist of Members as defined below. Members are those who have met the following criteria, as interpreted by the Executive Board, which shall not discriminate on the basis of race, sex, gender, religion, sect/creed, national origin or ancestry, age, ability status, marital status, or sexual orientation: members must be University Students, Staff, or Faculty from a college in the Ann Arbor vicinity."

    There was also no requirement of being Muslim to become an executive.
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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus

    Oh, fun note about the Club that Mr. Nick linked to. The website has the Clubs constitution...you konw, it's written down laws. You can find it HERE

    Looky here:

    Section 1

    The General Body of the MSA will consist of Members as defined below. Members are those who have met the following criteria, as interpreted by the Executive Board, which shall not discriminate on the basis of race, sex, gender, religion, sect/creed, national origin or ancestry, age, ability status, marital status, or sexual orientation: members must be University Students, Staff, or Faculty from a college in the Ann Arbor vicinity.
    You can also see under Operations their procedures for being elected to the executive board. You will note that there is no requirement what so ever in terms of being a Muslim or signing a statement of faith regarding Islam.

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