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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    because the federal bureaucrats, charged with making sure non-discrimination laws are enforced at publicly funded institutions will put a hold on the university's federal funds if it is found the university knowingly tolerated opportunities for discrimination - even mild ones such as this
    Many well intentioned 'non-discriminatory' laws are often shown to be discriminatory, as in this case. Politicians should be more concerned with public safety, the infrastructure and balancing public budgets rather than involving themselves in the minutia of University life.

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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    They aren't. They are regulating University Sponsored clubs and organizations, some of which happen to have religious themes.
    But they are messing with religion if they are saying that they have to open up their club to non Christians. That flies in the face of common sense and is obviously discriminatory.

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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    They aren't. They are regulating University Sponsored clubs and organizations, some of which happen to have religious themes.
    Yes, they are regulating them in an obviously biased and foolish manner. We can rightfully say that the University is just following the rule but the rule itself is ridiculous.

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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus

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    That would go over like a lead Zeppelin*, no doubt... the screams of outrage would rise to the clouds I'm sure.

    "But, but, but.... they're not even GLBT!!!"



    (* and when I say lead zeppelin, I don't mean the good kind, like this Led Zeppelin...)

    And we all know, damn good-n-well, that if this was a more politically correct group, no one would jave said a word.
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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus[W: 196]

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes

    You know, on the one hand, I really resent the implication that being forced to follow the same rules as secular clubs is somehow "hostile" to Christianity... but on the other hand, how perfectly ****ing daft is it to say that a Christian campus club cannot require that it's leaders-- not even its general membership, its leaders to be Christian? That's like telling the German club that it can't require that its members speak German-- or, at least, be interested in speaking German.
    One would think that even if it weren't written in stone, that a Christian club would elect its own Christian leaders anyway simply as a matter of course.
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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus[W: 196]

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    One would think that even if it weren't written in stone, that a Christian club would elect it's own Christian leaders anyway simply as a matter of course.
    Quite. It would appear that all of the other Christian clubs that operate on campus-- with the full blessing of the administration-- understood this. As ridiculous as the policy is when applied to religious organizations... the club itself is deliberately being ridiculous for the purposes of picking a fight and claiming they're being oppressed.

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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus[W: 196]

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Quite. It would appear that all of the other Christian clubs that operate on campus-- with the full blessing of the administration-- understood this. As ridiculous as the policy is when applied to religious organizations... the club itself is deliberately being ridiculous for the purposes of picking a fight and claiming they're being oppressed.
    On one hand I agree. But at the same time, the university seems equally ridiculous to say that they can't have the requirement.

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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus[W: 196]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    On one hand I agree. But at the same time, the university seems equally ridiculous to say that they can't have the requirement.
    Oh, agreed-- the language comes from their anti-discrimination policy. It would just be a bad precedent to say that the anti-discrimination policy rules didn't apply to religious clubs when it applied to every other club.

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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Where is the irony? Do you feel Christians are sheep?
    Not me, it's Christian symbology. "The Lord is my shepherd." and the like.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    They might mingle with others or they might not. That is their call to make under free association and no one else should interfere with their personal decisions.
    Nobody is interfering with personal decisions. As countless people have said countless times already, this isn't about preventing the club from existing, it's about whether the University formally supports it.

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    They are not their to benefit the University. they are there to get an education. the university is supposed to benefit them, and interfering in their personal lives in this way has no clear benefit.
    The clubs aren't there to get an education. University supported clubs are for the benefit of the University by helping provide a wider social structure for their students. That's why the University has rules about the nature of the clubs it supports.



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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus[W: 196]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    On one hand I agree. But at the same time, the university seems equally ridiculous to say that they can't have the requirement.
    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Quite. It would appear that all of the other Christian clubs that operate on campus-- with the full blessing of the administration-- understood this. As ridiculous as the policy is when applied to religious organizations... the club itself is deliberately being ridiculous for the purposes of picking a fight and claiming they're being oppressed.

    WHY do you think the university is being "ridiculous" when it requires a club which receives some funding, meeting places and other support from the school to abide by well known rules?

    This particular group, InterVarsity appears to be deliberately provoking school administrators as I have found they have been removed from at least 15 other campuses for exactly the same reason.

    Considering the actions of other fundamentalist groups, I think this club, InterVarsity, is preparing a major lawsuit with the hopes that it will go all the way to the SCOTUS
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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