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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    You may as well say one doesn't need to know a damn thing about chess to join the chess club.
    You don't need to know a damn thing about chess to join the chess club. You probably WOULDN'T join the chess club if you don't know a damn thing about chess, but that's different than you being disallowed to join.

    What the hell is wrong with you?
    Based on your posts in this thread....apparently that I actually deal with facts and reality?

    I know you understand my point yet you continually side-step it.
    What point? It's hard to find it amongst all the bull**** you've made up and stated repeatedly as if it's fact.

    It would be illogical to join a club in which you know nothing about the clubs intent, convictions etc.
    Something I've acknowledged repeatedly in this thread. Who is arguing against that? You're beating up on a strawman, which fits in well with the rest of your imagined situation in this particular topic.

    Besides, since when is membership to a club a right?
    No one has a right to join any cluub of any kind. No one also has a right to have a UNIVERSITY ENDORSED CLUB. But students DO have the right to not be denied entry into a UNIVERSITY ENDORSED CLUB based on sex, race, or religion based on the Universities rules that said club agreed to in order to become endorsed by the University.

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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    That's the whole point - they wouldn't.
    Thus making an explicit rule excluding them from such roles little more than an open attempt to flaunt the Universities rules in order to feign persecution.
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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Since when is University approval of a club a right?
    Since the Fourteenth Amendment (due process clause).

    You would have a point if we were talking about a private university but we're not.

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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You don't need to know a damn thing about chess to join the chess club. You probably WOULDN'T join the chess club if you don't know a damn thing about chess, but that's different than you being disallowed to join.
    It's a great way to learn about chess.
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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    That's the whole point - they wouldn't.

    A better question to ask is: why anyone would join a club they're opposed to or don't care for then expect to be leadership of that club.

    May as well make me being a capitalist leadership in a communist club.... Maybe as a christian I can be leadership in a Muslim club, or possibly a leadership role in a black club....

    Does "get in where you fit in" mean anything to anyone?
    actually, i could see an unusual - but possible - circumstance where this non-discrimination could be significant
    if the club membership is small, then a band of like minded folks, opposed to what the club represented, could join and by force of superior numbers, elect and install as the chair of the Christian club someone who was an atheist
    i expect that prospect to light you up, but then your posts appear to be highly flammable, anyway
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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    That's the whole point - they wouldn't.

    A better question to ask is: why anyone would join a club they're opposed to or don't care for then expect to be leadership of that club.

    May as well make me being a capitalist leadership in a communist club.... Maybe as a christian I can be leadership in a Muslim club, or possibly a leadership role in a black club....

    Does "get in where you fit in" mean anything to anyone?
    And you're not likely to be voted into leadership in a communist club as a capitalist. You're not likely to be voted into leadership in a muslim club as a christian. You're not likely to be voted into leadership in a black club if yo'ure white. I've said that REPEATEDLY in this thread, so have others.

    That's common sense, that's what would happen without any actual written rule in their constitution what so ever. That's even what the University basically tacitly acknowledged when they suggested the club take the wording out of their bylaws and continue along on their normal path.

    The issue is that, rather than allow that to happen in a defacto natural and common sense way, the club obstinently decided to put it in writing in their laws and refused to take it out. None of the other 16+ Christian clubs on campus seemingly have an issue with non-christians getting into leadership roles without it written out in their club rules...precisely for the reason you suggest. Which is why the blatant violation of the rules anti-discrimination policy that the club agreed to in order to become an official club is idiotic.

    And you've still demonstrated zero bias on behalf of the school against this club.

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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Since the Fourteenth Amendment (due process clause).
    No, that doesn't grant them a right to be approved, it means that the rules for approval apply equally. They failed to meet abide by the equally applied rules. They did not have any rights violated.
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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Since the Fourteenth Amendment (due process clause).
    How does the 14th amendment require Universities to officially recognize and providesanctioned benefits to any and all clubs sans any regulation. I'm really anxious to hear this explanation.

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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus

    This is just taking the non-discrimination policy to the absurd. Whatever happened to the right to associate in academia? Fraternities should not have to have girls; nor sororities boys; nor any group those whom they do not want to admit.

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    Re: University of Michigan Kicks Christian Club off Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Thus making an explicit rule excluding them from such roles little more than an open attempt to flaunt the Universities rules in order to feign persecution.
    Do you know the definition of logic?

    Also, I'm amazed a conservative is even arguing this with me.

    I'm still perplexed at the notion some posters here seem to think a non-christian should have a leadership role in a christian club.

    It makes no ****ing sense.

    If anything it shows how ****ing stupid society actually is.

    What's next? suing people because they don't want to be your friend? I suppose I shouldn't be throwing ideas out there.

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