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    Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Now Illegal In The US

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    It is certainly contradictory to public policy and the free right to contract when businesses can impose such predatory contracts on people. Certain pieces of technology are a necessary part of life. Cell phones are a part of that, as are cars and internet capable computers. The companies that gate access to these technologies have a completely unconscionable disparity of power in any kind of contract negotiation. It is not right nor beneficial to society that a few private interests be able to exercise so much power over the public. Predatory contracts like those employed by call carriers oughtn't to be permitted. And using criminal prosecution to protect the power of these businesses is absolutely contrary to personal liberty.
    I'd be willing to accept it if the opposite party, the AT&T executives and employees, could go to jail when my contract is violated as well.
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    Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Now Illegal In The US

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    It is certainly contradictory to public policy and the free right to contract when businesses can impose such predatory contracts on people. Certain pieces of technology are a necessary part of life. Cell phones are a part of that, as are cars and internet capable computers. The companies that gate access to these technologies have a completely unconscionable disparity of power in any kind of contract negotiation. It is not right nor beneficial to society that a few private interests be able to exercise so much power over the public. Predatory contracts like those employed by call carriers oughtn't to be permitted. And using criminal prosecution to protect the power of these businesses is absolutely contrary to personal liberty.
    Cars, cell phones, internet access are not necessary to life. They may make life more convenient but they certainly aren't necessary.

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    Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Now Illegal In The US

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Cars, cell phones, internet access are not necessary to life. They may make life more convenient but they certainly aren't necessary.
    Obtain a middle class job without all three of those. Go ahead. The car is SOMETIMES negotiable in a very urban area, but not always. I live in the middle of Washington DC and I need my car sometimes for work. The metro and buses can't get my everywhere I need to go. No one in the suburbs can operate without one. Or try to start a business without all three of those things. You will fail.
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    Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Now Illegal In The US

    "In the US almost all phones are subsidized, hence you are paying for the phone over your contract... it is especially relevant for the expensive iPhones.... unless you actually believe that the nice shinny iPhone 5 actually only costs 200 dollars..... if so, then I have a bridge in San Francisco I want to sell you."

    I would be amazed if an Iphone costs more than $20 to manufacture in China.

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    Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Now Illegal In The US

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    "In the US almost all phones are subsidized, hence you are paying for the phone over your contract... it is especially relevant for the expensive iPhones.... unless you actually believe that the nice shinny iPhone 5 actually only costs 200 dollars..... if so, then I have a bridge in San Francisco I want to sell you."

    I would be amazed if an Iphone costs more than $20 to manufacture in China.
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    Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Now Illegal In The US

    I'm not buying into all the notion that you have no right to unlock your phone BS. You've paid for the phone and hence should be able to use it as you see fit. They may claim your contract subsidizes it, but you have to pay a penalty to get out of your contract and go with someone else. And when your contract us up and fully paid for, you should be allowed to use that smartphone wherever you want.

    Here's a video about it. I agree with these smart women (and, of course, women are always the smartest anyway).


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    Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Now Illegal In The US

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post

    I would be amazed if an Iphone costs more than $20 to manufacture in China.
    Estimates are 200 to 250 dollars to manufacture.
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    Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Now Illegal In The US

    I think it's about choice. I don't believe that there is a significant number of people unlocking their phones just to switch to another carrier.. enough that it makes it justified that we should all suffer. I hear T-Mobile is getting rid of subsidized phone subscriptions in 2013. What if all the other carriers follow? and this law remains.. that means the carriers can impose more damaging results on the innocent. I don't like that nor the what if's.

    If this illegal issue bothers you, and you want to have the option to be able to unlock a device you believe you paid for and own, then sign this official Petition and pass it along: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...legal/1g9KhZG7

    There's still time! 12 days left to get 100,000 minimum signatures.. At present, there is 60,000 sigs.. Please pass this petition link around to help make a difference!

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    Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Now Illegal In The US

    New event in this issue...

    Minnesota senator plans bill to make cellphone unlocking legal again

    Just one day after the White House got behind efforts to make unlocking cellphones legal again, Senator Amy Klobuchar (D — MN) vowed to introduce a bill this week that will “get rid of the ban on unlocking cell phones.” Both Klobuchar and the White House were responding directly to an online petition that urged the government to reverse a decision made by the Librarian of Congress last fall to deny consumers the right to unlock their phones and bring them to different carriers. In announcing her new legislation, Klobuchar said that “consumers should be free to choose the phone and service that best fits their needs and their budgets” and that “we need to make sure consumers are getting a fair deal and today’s announcement is a welcome step towards implementing consumer-friendly policies in the wireless industry.”
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    Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Now Illegal In The US

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    We may own the phone, but we do not own the infrastructure it runs on. Take away the infrastructure, and the phone does not work. Therefore, those who own the infrastructure have a right to determine the terms and conditions for those who access and use that infrastructure.
    And we own the airwaves, with the government licensing use of those airwaves as a public trust. So those who own the airwaves have a right to determine the terms and conditions for those who access and use the airwaves.
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