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    Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Now Illegal In The US

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Well change ISP then.... no wait you most likely cant right?
    Well I'm not longer even in the states, but at the time, I was renting a room in someone's house and they had Verizon. I think he had a crazy contract even if he did want to change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    My problem is that for as much as they charge you for a telephone, even if it is at "special rate", then it is your phone regardless of what their fine print says. The next time mine breaks after I am out of my contract I am switching to straight talk or one of those jobbies. I am sick of AT&T already.
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    Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Now Illegal In The US

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    We may own the phone, but we do not own the infrastructure it runs on. Take away the infrastructure, and the phone does not work. Therefore, those who own the infrastructure have a right to determine the terms and conditions for those who access and use that infrastructure.
    First of all, the American people subsidized the creation of cellular infrastructure with tax dollars. Secondly, the carriers are not using the argument that the device they sell you to access their infrastructure cannot be modified; rather, they are claiming that their locked phones are using their software which customers do not have permission to modify. It's a matter of Digital Rights Management, not network access.

    The law is bunk and I will be ignoring it, especially because I travel internationally.

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    Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Now Illegal In The US

    It's funny watching all the Lefties supporting the rights of Big Telecom.
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    Unlocking Cell Phones Now Illegal In The US

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    If you have a PC, you are not required to run Windows on it. You're entirely free to run something else, such as Linux, on that same hardware that might have come with Windows. You own the computer. It is your property, and nobody else's. Nobody else has a right to tell you what software you may or may not run on it, so long as you obtain and use that software in accordance with any copyrights that that software might carry.
    Yes this is true but it is not the point I was making. My point was that you do not own software, you license the right to use it and your right to use is subject to the terms of the licensing agreement.
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    Unlocking Cell Phones Now Illegal In The US

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    How am I in breach of contract by unlocking the phone, when I still have to continue paying for 2 years? What does it matter if I use another service if I still have to pay for theirs until the contract is up? It has nothing to do with that. Take Iphones for instance. For the first few years you couldn't use them on ANY other carrier for any reason, even if you bought it full price. That's not a contract. You bought it and can use it as you wish. If I rewire my toaster to play DVDs, I should be able to do that.

    Or another situation that I've personally been screwed by: John signs up for AT&T with a 2 year contract and gets a phone. After a year, he decides to get a new phone, or whatever. He sells the phone, but has to continue paying the 2 year contract, OR pay the buyout fee. I buy the phone from him, but I can now not legally use it on any other carrier, even though AT&T has recouped every penny and MORE from John for the price of the phone. It's a paid off phone. It used to be the SIM lock would wear off after 2 years, now most phones stay locked to a carrier permanently.

    It has NOTHING to do with a contract, at all.


    Oh, and to top it off, this is ONE Man who made this law, who wasn't elected by citizens. He's a god damn librarian, not a congressman. 5 years and $500,000 fine for a FIRST time offense, all for using something you legally own. Yeah, I'm sure AT&T, then 10th largest lobby in washington, had nothing to do with this.
    If you agree to a contract that says you can't unlock the phone and you do then you are in breach of that contract. It's really pretty straightforward. If those terms don't suit you then don't agree to them. Whether they can or do recoup their cost is immaterial. You agreed to certain terms and are obligated to abide by them.

    If you bought an iPhone and your purchase agreement doesn't prohibit you from modifying it then have at it.

    If you want to purchase a phone that you can modify to use on someone else's network go right ahead. Just make sure you can modify it. The manufacturer or original telco is under no obligation to make hardware that you can modify. If you can't live with tha then by all means don't buy it. No one is putting a gun to your head.

    I've already stated this is a simple contract law issue. A new law isn't needed. But I will point out that the Librarian of Congress didn't make this law. Congress did. He may be given implementation and enforcement powers with respect to the law but that's entirely a different matter - and the way government works.
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    Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Now Illegal In The US

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    If you agree to a contract that says you can't unlock the phone and you do then you are in breach of that contract. It's really pretty straightforward. If those terms don't suit you then don't agree to them. Whether they can or do recoup their cost is immaterial. You agreed to certain terms and are obligated to abide by them.

    If you bought an iPhone and your purchase agreement doesn't prohibit you from modifying it then have at it.

    If you want to purchase a phone that you can modify to use on someone else's network go right ahead. Just make sure you can modify it. The manufacturer or original telco is under no obligation to make hardware that you can modify. If you can't live with tha then by all means don't buy it. No one is putting a gun to your head.

    I've already stated this is a simple contract law issue. A new law isn't needed. But I will point out that the Librarian of Congress didn't make this law. Congress did. He may be given implementation and enforcement powers with respect to the law but that's entirely a different matter - and the way government works.
    Your right its CONTRATUAL law. This unlocking or not has absolutely NO business in criminal law. If you violate the contract let the em sue ya. 5 years and 500,000 dollors is and felony convition to boot is BS.
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    Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Now Illegal In The US

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    If you agree to a contract that says you can't unlock the phone and you do then you are in breach of that contract. It's really pretty straightforward. If those terms don't suit you then don't agree to them. Whether they can or do recoup their cost is immaterial. You agreed to certain terms and are obligated to abide by them.

    If you bought an iPhone and your purchase agreement doesn't prohibit you from modifying it then have at it.

    If you want to purchase a phone that you can modify to use on someone else's network go right ahead. Just make sure you can modify it. The manufacturer or original telco is under no obligation to make hardware that you can modify. If you can't live with tha then by all means don't buy it. No one is putting a gun to your head.

    I've already stated this is a simple contract law issue. A new law isn't needed. But I will point out that the Librarian of Congress didn't make this law. Congress did. He may be given implementation and enforcement powers with respect to the law but that's entirely a different matter - and the way government works.
    I want you to name one civilian contract violation penalty that carries the punishment of 5 years in prison and a $500k fine. The puppetmasters are pulling at the strings of our politicians. No other consumer / provider agreement in the US has anything even remotely similar in punishment, and from what I understand almost none of them are handled by criminal law.
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Now Illegal In The US

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    It's funny watching all the Lefties supporting the rights of Big Telecom.
    It's funny watching all the righties supporting breaking the law.

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    Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Now Illegal In The US

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    It's funny watching all the righties supporting breaking the law.
    They're protesting contractual law finding itself into criminal law. They understand the reason this occurred is because of political favors being done for the corporate world and like anyone against corporatism should do they're protesting such actions.
    Last edited by Henrin; 02-01-13 at 10:39 AM.

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