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    Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Now Illegal In The US

    ..Doing it anyway..FU

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    Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Now Illegal In The US

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
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    Yeah. Ridiculous idea, isnt it?

    And yet we accept it from cell phone companies. The software is just as integral to a phone as a steering wheel is to a car.

    I should be able to modify my phone, and the carrier should be able to respond with whatever my contract says they can do. Like a $250 early terminarion fee which literally every carrier does for subsidized phones. The system works fine.

    So why jail?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yeah. Ridiculous idea, isnt it?

    And yet we accept it from cell phone companies. The software is just as integral to a phone as a steering wheel is to a car.

    I should be able to modify my phone, and the carrier should be able to respond with whatever my contract says they can do. Like a $250 early terminarion fee which literally every carrier does for subsidized phones. The system works fine.

    So why jail?
    I disagree with the crimimalization of contract law, but I also disagree with your position that you can do whatever you want with software you don't own
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    Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Now Illegal In The US

    The cell companies already impose a substantial penalty for ending your contract early. It seems to me that is the best mechanism for allowing them to recoup the cost of subsidizing the price of the phone they provide at a discount. This scheme is an invasion of privacy to enforce and violates the common sense notion that you own what you thought you purchased.

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    Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Now Illegal In The US

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It's important to note that this isn't really a "new" rule. It just took the courts this long to rule on whether carrier unlocking counted as modifying the software in a method not in compliance with the licensing or whatever. Once the decision was made, there was a grace period that just ended.

    It's also bull****. I own that flipping phone, I can modify it however I damn well please. The carrier's interest ends at the cell phone tower, the worst they should be able to do is cancel my service and charge whatever termination fee is in the contract I sign.
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    Unlocking Cell Phones Now Illegal In The US

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Ah yes, even more laws created by a government that values corporate interests over citizen's rights. 'Merica. Land of the free my ass.
    You are free to not contract for a cell phone if You dont like the terms. Cell phone providers hugely discount upfront hardware charges to lock you into a long term contract. By unlocking the phone and using someone elses system you are in breach of contract. This law is unnecessary simply because current contract law should be sufficient.

    You're always free to buy that iPhone at full price and shop or service providers.
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    Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Now Illegal In The US

    If you sign a contract for your service...you better read what you are signing. I pay my phone on a month to month basis. I do not sign any contracts. I do not want to be locked in to any provider for any length of time. I prefer it the way I have it now.

    Although, I am one of those rare people that does not have a smart phone. I have no desire to have such a thing. Just a phone to text and call...that is all I will ever need in a phone. GPS? I use maps. Games? I have a Nintendo DS. Internet? I have a computer at home that I will use when I want to get online.

    Never sign any contract without reading it unless you are completely stupid. In that contract, it could state that you are only to use their service under those 2 years and if you use someone else's well that is breach of contract.
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    Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Now Illegal In The US

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I disagree with the crimimalization of contract law, but I also disagree with your position that you can do whatever you want with software you don't own
    I own the phone, the software is an integral part of that phone. So yes, the way I see it, I do own the software. Because without software it's not a phone anymore, and what I purchased is a phone.
    Not that I can copy the software and sell it as my own. I own the 0's and 1's that exist on this particular phone. I own the SD card, don't I? I own the circuitboards and microchips, right? How can I own the SD card and not the data it contains? How can I own the chip and not the bits?

    It's like owning a car and not owning its steering wheel. Why shouldn't I be able to modify my car? Sure, it'll void the warranty maybe. Or the manufacturer might no longer be responsible for footing the bill for any required modifications due to a recall or whatever. But it's my goddamned car why am I going to jail for this?
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    Re: Unlocking Cell Phones Now Illegal In The US

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I own the phone, the software is an integral part of that phone. So yes, the way I see it, I do own the software. Because without software it's not a phone anymore, and what I purchased is a phone.
    Not that I can copy the software and sell it as my own. I own the 0's and 1's that exist on this particular phone. I own the SD card, don't I? I own the circuitboards and microchips, right? How can I own the SD card and not the data it contains? How can I own the chip and not the bits?

    It's like owning a car and not owning its steering wheel. Why shouldn't I be able to modify my car? Sure, it'll void the warranty maybe. Or the manufacturer might no longer be responsible for footing the bill for any required modifications due to a recall or whatever. But it's my goddamned car why am I going to jail for this?
    you do not own the software. Period. End of story.
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    Unlocking Cell Phones Now Illegal In The US

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I own the phone, the software is an integral part of that phone. So yes, the way I see it, I do own the software. Because without software it's not a phone anymore, and what I purchased is a phone.
    Not that I can copy the software and sell it as my own. I own the 0's and 1's that exist on this particular phone. I own the SD card, don't I? I own the circuitboards and microchips, right? How can I own the SD card and not the data it contains? How can I own the chip and not the bits?

    It's like owning a car and not owning its steering wheel. Why shouldn't I be able to modify my car? Sure, it'll void the warranty maybe. Or the manufacturer might no longer be responsible for footing the bill for any required modifications due to a recall or whatever. But it's my goddamned car why am I going to jail for this?
    This is analogous to he situation of a PC and the Windows OS. The PC is similarly useless without the OS an just as with phone you do not own the software. You own the right to use software. Nothing more.
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