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    Re: Deadly Alabama school bus shooting leads to standoff with suspect, 6-year-old

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    Precisely, you are distant from the problem and the solutions.
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    Re: Deadly Alabama school bus shooting leads to standoff with suspect, 6-year-old

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    Fighting it out with a senior citizen, is the reality.

    And, let's don't get too hyped up about him being a Vietnam Vet. A minority of Vietnam vets served in infantry units and an even smaller minority saw any real combat.
    Why, are YOU questioning his partriotism?
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    Re: Deadly Alabama school bus shooting leads to standoff with suspect, 6-year-old

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    Why, are YOU questioning his partriotism?
    Actually, I was being a racist. You already know how racist I am...LOL
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    Re: Deadly Alabama school bus shooting leads to standoff with suspect, 6-year-old

    How are you going to shoot it out with him? It won't work at all in any sort of way. The man was not only a Vietnam Vet, but a DOOMSDAY PREPPER. Good luck getting through that bunker without the guy going nuts and possibly killing the kid.

    The bus driver did not have enough time to react and shoot the man. The guy got on the bus and immediately had him. The bus driver was a 67 year old man himself, and I doubt his reaction times were what they used to be.

    Gas and starvation will not work. I believe they need to use an authority the man would recognize. What that is I couldn't tell ya, but its obvious that he has no plans on listening to local authorities.
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    Re: Deadly Alabama school bus shooting leads to standoff with suspect, 6-year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    How are you going to shoot it out with him? It won't work at all in any sort of way. The man was not only a Vietnam Vet, but a DOOMSDAY PREPPER. Good luck getting through that bunker without the guy going nuts and possibly killing the kid.

    The bus driver did not have enough time to react and shoot the man. The guy got on the bus and immediately had him. The bus driver was a 67 year old man himself, and I doubt his reaction times were what they used to be.

    Gas and starvation will not work. I believe they need to use an authority the man would recognize. What that is I couldn't tell ya, but its obvious that he has no plans on listening to local authorities.
    I agree. He will probably off the kid and himself.

    This seems to be a "Ruby Ridge" of sorts.

    I suppose pumping the bunker with anesthetics would work - it would be risky because it could potentially kill both.

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    Re: Deadly Alabama school bus shooting leads to standoff with suspect, 6-year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I agree. He will probably off the kid and himself.

    This seems to be a "Ruby Ridge" of sorts.

    I suppose pumping the bunker with anesthetics would work - it would be risky because it could potentially kill both.
    If he is prepper then I suppose he would have extensive ventilation and air filtration systems....I doubt that would work either. Plus, that door to the bunker maybe sealed tighter than Fort Knox.
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    Re: Deadly Alabama school bus shooting leads to standoff with suspect, 6-year-old

    If they're communicating through a PVC pipe gas can be introduced (use a small hose and pressurized gas). The problem of course is twofold at that point - finding a gas that will knock him out for long enough without killing the child and then breaking into the shelter, which I suppose is reinforced and possibly boobytrapped.

    Look, the guy has to have a buddy or two, get them to talk him out. Otherwise, I don't see there's much they can do that doesn't end the six year old.

    Sad.

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    Alabama Hostage Standoff: Alleged Kidnapper Has Stayed in Bunker for 8 Days

    Just wondering why THIS particular super drama standoff story isn't getting the Nancy Grace-like 24/7 live news coverage. It's got all the elements... handicapped hostage, unbelievably stupid murderer, several days locked in a bunker he dug communicating through a pvc pipe with the police.

    Alabama Hostage Standoff: Alleged Kidnapper Has Stayed in Bunker for 8 Days

    The 5-year-old boy being held hostage by a retired man who allegedly abducted him at gunpoint is in a 6-by-8-foot bunker, where his captor has been known to hold up for eight days, police said.

    School bus driver Charles Albert Poland Jr., 66, tried to prevent the kidnapping Tuesday, but was allegedly shot to death on his bus by Jimmy Lee Dykes, a 65-year-old former truck driver.

    Police Chief James Arrington of Pinckard, Ala., said the bunker, which Dykes built in his backyard, is 4 feet underground and has a 60-foot plastic pipe coming out of it. Dykes has been communicating with police through the pipe.

    "He will have to give up sooner or later because [authorities] are not leaving," Arrington said. "It's pretty small, but he's been known to stay in there eight days."

    Worst Hostage Crises: Some of the World's Worst Situations

    Dykes is known to hold anti-government views, Arrington said. "He's against the government, starting with Obama on down," he said.

    Dykes' property is in Pinckard's police jurisdiction in Dale County. Arrington said that authorities have had trouble with Dykes in the past.

    "I never had any problem with him before," he said."The county has, but not me."

    Dykes boarded the bus Tuesday and said he wanted two boys, 6 to 8 years old. As the children piled to the back of the bus, Dykes allegedly shot Poland four times, then grabbed the child at random and fled, the AP reported.

    Now all attention in the community near Midland City, Ala., is on the boy's safety. The police have not identified the boy, whom Dykes has allowed to watch TV and receive medication sent from home, according to state Rep. Steve Clouse.

    The boy's mother is secluded at the scene with law enforcement, according to ABC-affiliated station WDHN-TV.

    Police say Dykes likely has enough food and supplies to remain underground for weeks. It is unclear whether he has made any demands from the bunker-style shelter on his property.

    The young hostage is a child with autism.
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    Re: Alabama Hostage Standoff: Alleged Kidnapper Has Stayed in Bunker for 8 Days

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Just wondering why THIS particular super drama standoff story isn't getting the Nancy Grace-like 24/7 live news coverage. It's got all the elements... handicapped hostage, unbelievably stupid murderer, several days locked in a bunker he dug communicating through a pvc pipe with the police.

    Alabama Hostage Standoff: Alleged Kidnapper Has Stayed in Bunker for 8 Days

    The 5-year-old boy being held hostage by a retired man who allegedly abducted him at gunpoint is in a 6-by-8-foot bunker, where his captor has been known to hold up for eight days, police said.

    School bus driver Charles Albert Poland Jr., 66, tried to prevent the kidnapping Tuesday, but was allegedly shot to death on his bus by Jimmy Lee Dykes, a 65-year-old former truck driver.

    Police Chief James Arrington of Pinckard, Ala., said the bunker, which Dykes built in his backyard, is 4 feet underground and has a 60-foot plastic pipe coming out of it. Dykes has been communicating with police through the pipe.

    "He will have to give up sooner or later because [authorities] are not leaving," Arrington said. "It's pretty small, but he's been known to stay in there eight days."

    Worst Hostage Crises: Some of the World's Worst Situations

    Dykes is known to hold anti-government views, Arrington said. "He's against the government, starting with Obama on down," he said.

    Dykes' property is in Pinckard's police jurisdiction in Dale County. Arrington said that authorities have had trouble with Dykes in the past.

    "I never had any problem with him before," he said."The county has, but not me."

    Dykes boarded the bus Tuesday and said he wanted two boys, 6 to 8 years old. As the children piled to the back of the bus, Dykes allegedly shot Poland four times, then grabbed the child at random and fled, the AP reported.

    Now all attention in the community near Midland City, Ala., is on the boy's safety. The police have not identified the boy, whom Dykes has allowed to watch TV and receive medication sent from home, according to state Rep. Steve Clouse.

    The boy's mother is secluded at the scene with law enforcement, according to ABC-affiliated station WDHN-TV.

    Police say Dykes likely has enough food and supplies to remain underground for weeks. It is unclear whether he has made any demands from the bunker-style shelter on his property.

    The young hostage is a child with autism.


    I hope the little boy comes out of this safely.
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    Re: Alabama Hostage Standoff: Alleged Kidnapper Has Stayed in Bunker for 8 Days

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Just wondering why THIS particular super drama standoff story isn't getting the Nancy Grace-like 24/7 live news coverage. It's got all the elements... handicapped hostage, unbelievably stupid murderer, several days locked in a bunker he dug communicating through a pvc pipe with the police.
    I don't want to be "that guy", but I posted a thread on this yesterday and its still on page one...

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