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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

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    Knownothingism, the basis of all conservative thought.
    This would only apply to people like yourself I would imagine.

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    Knowledge about how death and injuries from guns in homes relates to what type of guns, the number of guns, the age of the owners, the family structure, etc., all leads to useful knowledge that can provide the public with information to reduce gun injuries or death.
    If they actually new something about guns, none of this would be necessary. In fact all the data can be extrapolated from existing data already, without wasting more money and time.

    Those of us that are real thinkers know this is nothing more than a liberal ploy to use the CDC to ban guns, nothing more.

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    But of course gun lovers don't give a tinker's damn about that.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

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    Yes, adding "gun ok" info to one's DL data strip, would make things more convenient.

    However, I think gun extremists would oppose this, simply because it would stand in the way of criminals being able to buy guns.

    Only two groups of people would be seriously affected by Universal Background checks: criminals and the seriously mentally impaired. These are the folks pushing for no new gun laws.
    Or anyone that likes keeping more of their hard earned money. The Obama plan is to pay $30 to $50 to a FFL dealer to enable this simple federal "service", to protect us from ourselves.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Let's not go off on a tangent now. Focus. You have not legitimately addressed anything in my post. Drugs, pedophilia, etc. are not rights, are they? God never said women couldn't vote. That was men. You see how that works?
    This argument is a waste of time. It's circular. Here's how this works:
    "Nobody needs a Bushmaster"
    "You have no right to say what I need"
    "But you don't need it. And it is more dangerous than other guns"
    "Handguns kills more people than bushmasters"
    "But Bushmasters are more deadly than handguns"
    "Handguns kill more people, so it's a waste of time to ban the AR-15 and other whatever weapons"
    "But there's no reason not to do it"
    "So that's the logic?"
    "The logic is that you don't need a Bushmaster"
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    So I will address your points:
    Now you are just being ignorant. We ALREADY have laws in place that prevent such things. Get a grip on your fear. You fear the WRONG people, and you are wanting to take out your frustration with criminals on law-abiding citizens.
    Actually, you're the one that fears guns, because you have a gun due to your fear that somebody with a gun will attack you. I have nothing against somebody having a gun for the "just in case," but when people are arguing that every citizen needs a handgun, that's what fear sounds like. You can be responsible and have a plan for incidents such as break-ins without having a gun. You can also be very irresponsible with a handgun for self defense, as is evidenced by a handful of very recent stories around my home town regarding children shooting themselves and a crazy old man executing a 17 year old unarmed girl dying in his basement whom he had already shot.

    But "you're just ready," right? Do you think parents who let their children drink pop are irresponsible? Or who let their children eat steak? Or who let their children ride bicycles? I bet you don't, because that's crazy, right? You have to be reasonable. Just like the fact that you have to be reasonable about what situations might come up in which you need self defense. You don't need a bushmaster for self defense. The only reason you'd need a bushmaster is if you needed to kill more people in less time, which is what psychopaths need, not citizens protecting their families.

    I'm not afraid of criminals, which is why I can rationally say that I will never, ever, ever need an ar-15. And NEITHER DO YOU but it is MORE DANGEROUS when in the hands of CRIMINALS so STOP THIS RIDICULOUS ARGUMENT. This is about common sense. How about this: god would have given men guns for arms if he wanted us to shoot people. Would Jesus have shot first and asked questions later? Are you going for the Waco thing? Did those guys seem pretty pious? The religious argument is pretty weak, IMHO.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

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    This argument is a waste of time. It's circular. Here's how this works:
    "Nobody needs a Bushmaster"
    "You have no right to say what I need"
    "But you don't need it. And it is more dangerous than other guns"
    "Handguns kills more people than bushmasters"
    "But Bushmasters are more deadly than handguns"
    "Handguns kill more people, so it's a waste of time to ban the AR-15 and other whatever weapons"
    "But there's no reason not to do it"
    "So that's the logic?"
    "The logic is that you don't need a Bushmaster"
    END
    No, the logic is that you don't make the rules for other people, and it is not your decision to make for others. PERIOD.

    So I will address your points:


    Actually, you're the one that fears guns, because you have a gun due to your fear that somebody with a gun will attack you. I have nothing against somebody having a gun for the "just in case," but when people are arguing that every citizen needs a handgun, that's what fear sounds like. You can be responsible and have a plan for incidents such as break-ins without having a gun. You can also be very irresponsible with a handgun for self defense, as is evidenced by a handful of very recent stories around my home town regarding children shooting themselves and a crazy old man executing a 17 year old unarmed girl dying in his basement whom he had already shot.
    Wrong! I don't own a gun. I've never said that "everyone" should have a handgun. NEVER have I said those words. YOU are the one trying to tell people what they need and what they don't need, as if your opinion matters the tiniest iota. My concerns are with the second amendment and our rights.

    But "you're just ready," right? Do you think parents who let their children drink pop are irresponsible? Or who let their children eat steak? Or who let their children ride bicycles? I bet you don't, because that's crazy, right? You have to be reasonable. Just like the fact that you have to be reasonable about what situations might come up in which you need self defense. You don't need a bushmaster for self defense. The only reason you'd need a bushmaster is if you needed to kill more people in less time, which is what psychopaths need, not citizens protecting their families.
    There you go again. As if you have some kind of clout to tell anyone what they need; people you don't even know, no less. Incredibly arrogant.

    I'm not afraid of criminals, which is why I can rationally say that I will never, ever, ever need an ar-15. And NEITHER DO YOU but it is MORE DANGEROUS when in the hands of CRIMINALS so STOP THIS RIDICULOUS ARGUMENT. This is about common sense. How about this: god would have given men guns for arms if he wanted us to shoot people. Would Jesus have shot first and asked questions later? Are you going for the Waco thing? Did those guys seem pretty pious? The religious argument is pretty weak, IMHO.
    Who cares if you're afraid or not? I know I don't. Point is, we have RIGHTS that need to be defended, OBVIOUSLY. BTW, I think your questions are stupid and useless.

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    It's funny how some people think that they have some kind of authority over other law-abiding citizens to tell them what they can and cannot own because of the actions of murderers and criminals. Some people are so friggin ignorant and arrogant it's not even funny. It's just pathetic and disgusting.

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    Actually, you're the one that fears guns, because you have a gun due to your fear that somebody with a gun will attack you. I have nothing against somebody having a gun for the "just in case," but when people are arguing that every citizen needs a handgun, that's what fear sounds like. You can be responsible and have a plan for incidents such as break-ins without having a gun. You can also be very irresponsible with a handgun for self defense, as is evidenced by a handful of very recent stories around my home town regarding children shooting themselves and a crazy old man executing a 17 year old unarmed girl dying in his basement whom he had already shot.
    1) I don't think anybody here has said that everyone needs to have a gun, just that they should have the right to defend themselves with one, should they so choose.

    2) A rifle, such as an AR-15, has many purposes. The most primary of which being hunting or self defense. Considering the latter situation, if you had to bet say, your life savings on a gun fight between Bob and Joe, where Bob has a .22 pistol, and Joe has a 5.56 mm AR-15, semi automatic with a large magazine, whom would you place your bet on? A more powerful weapon can overwhelmingly tip the odds towards the one that has it. Fact is, a homeowner having a more powerful weapon gives him much better chances of surviving the attack.

    I've used the military equivalent to the AR-15, the M4, in combat. Despite what your girlfriend may tell you, size does matter.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    The other thing here was Gabby calling for was a Stop to violence. Her word.....the Violence. It needs to be stopped now. It will be hard. We must do something now.

    Terminology is another key. How does one stop another from being violent? Are people violent when they go to war? Is there some way to determine when a person will become violent? All this pandering to the camera and the media soaking it up while throwing every shooting that takes place now Right up front in the National News.

    Dick Durbin is from Chicago yet all one need do is listen to him talk. As he doesn't have a clue as to what works. Everything with Guns laws and restrictions in Chicago are a failure. Criminals are not going to line up to register their guns. They are not buying their guns from Gun shops and some may go and buy them at gun shows. But one can bet they are legal or that there is nothing to prevent them from owning a gun. Criminals will use those with Minor Petty crimes to get guns or those who have no record. Even telling them to report the gun stolen. They will continue to steal guns. Break in to gun shops, train cars, trucks, and even the manufacturers.

    As some have shown there are already databases for criminals in most states. Plus the Feds have their 3 Databases. There are states with laws concerning those with Mental handicaps from purchasing and or owning a firearm.

    No one wants criminals to have guns. But no one is going to be able to stop them with gun control.

    It's the Start of February and Chicago is keeping pace.....Wheres Gabby?

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    I'm fascinated by the "you don't need it" argument. People actually want government to decided what they need and don't need and to ban whatever it decides they don't need?

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    I'm fascinated by the "you don't need it" argument. People actually want government to decided what they need and don't need and to ban whatever it decides they don't need?
    their attitudes establish, beyond any reasonable doubt, why the rest of us NEED effective weaponry



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