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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Let's do it, see if it reduces gun violence, and find out. Generally knowledge is useful to thinking people and societies and I expect knowing the backgrounds of potential gun owners would be the same.

    Or do you want to keep doing nothing while the bodies pile up?
    ten years proved it didn't

    lets get rid of all the unconstitutional gun laws for ten years (such as the ban on new machine guns) and gun free zones and see what happens.
    the only bodies that would pile up are the criminals. and perhaps a few gun banners which would be ok with me too since criminals and gun banners tend to have the same mentality



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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

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    You haven't been here very long, have you?
    Long enough to know when pressed, you deflect...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Stop lying, it has been established.
    not at all-no objective study found that and major anti gun foundations said it didn't do anything. in 96 RENO commissioned an expensive study of Law enforcement officers and almost 90% said the ban was a waste of time. Jan the man suppressed the release of that study. Fortunately I was in a position to read the entire study



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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I actually don't have a problem with that particular proposal. The only problem is that it isn't going to stop crime and murder. There are plenty of other ways criminals can get weapons. As a matter of fact, I've read that sometimes a criminal will have someone else buy a gun FOR them, such a spouse or other family member with a clean record.

    Another point I would like to make is that most of the time in school shootings, the shooters are young people with no prior records. So, in actuality, it would probably be useless.
    *raises hand* I have a felony record...guess what...I can hold a gun and use it any time that I want to.

    *note ChrisL...this post was not directed at you*
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    are you telling me weapons sold by legitimate gun dealers and private collectors are CHEAPER than black market guns?
    Resellers, if they are not stupid, generally sell the guns for more than they paid for them so they make a profit. So guns bought at a gun show in Virginia, or the other 40 states that allow private gun sales without background checks, and resold in NYC, California, or Chicago, etc where they have strict gun laws, are going to be more expensive on the black market.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No one has said it will stop crime an murder. What it will do is make it harder and more expensive for criminals and crazies to get guns.
    No, it won't make it harder. More expensive? Maybe, unless of course they steal the gun or get someone with a clean record to buy them a gun. Of course you are assuming that a gun in the black market will be prohibitively expensive. Even those on the black market are subject to the whims of a free market system..ie competitors.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Knownothingism, the basis of all conservative thought.

    Knowledge about how death and injuries from guns in homes relates to what type of guns, the number of guns, the age of the owners, the family structure, etc., all leads to useful knowledge that can provide the public with information to reduce gun injuries or death.

    But of course gun lovers don't give a tinker's damn about that.
    All of which has nothing to do with the CDC.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Let's do it, see if it reduces gun violence, and find out. Generally knowledge is useful to thinking people and societies and I expect knowing the backgrounds of potential gun owners would be the same.

    Or do you want to keep doing nothing while the bodies pile up?
    Its been done already. The 1994 ban remember? (assuming you're old enough) And guess what...the DOJ determined that the ban did not reduce gun violence at all.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    not at all-no objective study found that and major anti gun foundations said it didn't do anything. in 96 RENO commissioned an expensive study of Law enforcement officers and almost 90% said the ban was a waste of time. Jan the man suppressed the release of that study. Fortunately I was in a position to read the entire study
    Thanks for sharing your opinion!


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    "There were 7 mass shootings in 2012 and a record number of casualties."



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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    your mother jones idiocy proves nothing. remember-those assholes don't count any shooting that was stopped by an armed citizen before the killer racked up at least four murders



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