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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Federal law requiring background checks by licensed dealers have been in effect since 1994, would you please cite the case when it was found to be in violation of the 2nd?

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    How does this question relate to my post? It has absolutely nothing to do with my post. But now that you bring it up, has that prevented school shootings or other mass shootings?

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    How does this question relate to my post? It has absolutely nothing to do with my post. But now that you bring it up, has that prevented school shootings or other mass shootings?
    You claimed background checks were a violation of the 2nd Amendment. I was pointing out to you that since they were required under law in 1994, they have never been found to be in violation of the 2nd.

    I have already posted a study in this thread that shows the kills in mass shootings were higher both before and after the 10 year ban. Look it up. 2012, had a record number of people injured and killed in mass shootings.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You claimed background checks were a violation of the 2nd Amendment. I was pointing out to you that since they were required under law in 1994, they have never been found to be in violation of the 2nd.

    I have already posted a study in this thread that shows the kills in mass shootings were less both before and after the 10 year ban. Look it up. 2012, had a record number of people injured and killed in mass shootings.
    I read her post.. I couldn't find where she stated background checks were a violation of the 2nd

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You claimed background checks were a violation of the 2nd Amendment. I was pointing out to you that since they were required under law in 1994, they have never been found to be in violation of the 2nd.

    I have already posted a study in this thread that shows the kills in mass shootings were less both before and after the 10 year ban. Look it up. 2012, had a record number of people injured and killed in mass shootings.
    But I'm the one who asked YOU a question. How would your laws prevent murders with guns?

    And if mass shootings occurred less often before the ban and after the ban, then what's your point?

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    But I'm the one who asked YOU a question. How would your laws prevent murders with guns?

    And if mass shootings occurred less often before the ban and after the ban, then what's your point?


    No one has suggested they will prevent all murders with guns. Its about reducing the numbers.

    Typo, see the corrected edit.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No one has suggested they will prevent all murders with guns. Its about reducing the numbers.

    Typo, see the corrected edit.
    Reducing numbers of what?

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    But I'm the one who asked YOU a question. How would your laws prevent murders with guns?

    And if mass shootings occurred less often before the ban and after the ban, then what's your point?
    he is stating the happened less during the ban.... he's done so repeatedly.... he's a big believer of "correlation = causation"

    the DOJ study on the ban doesn't make the same mistakes he does... and they concluded the ban had no real effect on crime either way... the University of Pennsylvania study cited the same effect.
    studies by the Brady bunch and other gun control supporters have claimed crime decreased because of the ban... the brady bunch even funded a study or 2 to prove their predetermine claim.

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    he is stating the happened less during the ban.... he's done so repeatedly.... he's a big believer of "correlation = causation"

    the DOJ study on the ban doesn't make the same mistakes he does... and they concluded the ban had no real effect on crime either way... the University of Pennsylvania study cited the same effect.
    studies by the Brady bunch and other gun control supporters have claimed crime decreased because of the ban... the brady bunch even funded a study or 2 to prove their predetermine claim.
    That's just effing insanity. AS IF criminals would purchase a gun in the legal way, especially those who are planning on committing crimes, especially when they know they are going to have a background check.

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Reducing numbers of what?
    Reducing the availability of cheap and easy guns for criminals and crazies in 40 states.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That's just effing insanity. AS IF criminals would purchase a gun in the legal way, especially those who are planning on committing crimes, especially when they know they are going to have a background check.
    That's the whole point, currently in 40 states, criminals and crazies can buy cheap guns at gun shows without a background check.
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