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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Oh no...Im pretty sure since you are married to the numbers the problem is Obama...the incidents of mass shootings HAVE jumped dramatically under his presidency.

    Seriously...there has never been a shortage of 30 round magazines OR 100 round magazines and if you are foolish enough to believe that is an issue you are simply too foolish to discuss the issue. And please DO make up your mind on what it is you want to ban. Is it assault rifles? High cap magazines? Just waht exactly is the 'culprit' since we all know you wont blame the people that are actually COMMITTING the acts.
    The numbers show the problem has grown worse since the ban. If it were up to me, both assault weapons and high capacity magazines would be banned. However, I am a realist, and realize that may not happen until we get more progressives in the House. For now, it appears that getting the background checks expanded to all gun sales is all that is politically likely. I am very happy about this as I think it will have the biggest effect on reducing the access by criminals and crazies to cheap guns in this country.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The numbers show the problem has grown worse since the ban. If it were up to me, both assault weapons and high capacity magazines would be banned. However, I am a realist, and realize that may not happen until we get more progressives in the House. For now, it appears that getting the background checks expanded to all gun sales is all that is politically likely. I am very happy about this as I think it will have the biggest effect on reducing the access by criminals and crazies to cheap guns in this country.
    stop lying

    gun deaths have been going down and the number of rounds fired in fatal shootings is still under two

    and you are lying calling an 11 round magazine HIGH CAPACITY

    since the standard issue military magazine is 30 rounds and since 15-17 is the standard issue Police sidearm magazine limit, it stands to reason that a rifle magazine of more than 30 may be called high capacity and a pistol magazine of more than 18 is high capacity



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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The numbers show the problem has grown worse since the ban. If it were up to me, both assault weapons and high capacity magazines would be banned. However, I am a realist, and realize that may not happen until we get more progressives in the House. For now, it appears that getting the background checks expanded to all gun sales is all that is politically likely. I am very happy about this as I think it will have the biggest effect on reducing the access by criminals and crazies to cheap guns in this country.
    The numbers show the problems have gotten worse since Obama became president. Fun with numbers is fun.

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    We had a brief national magazine limit (only on new sales) and a brief national speed limit (on ALL highways). The "same" argument does not apply, since one is a mere state issued privilege and the other a Constitutional right of the people. What the SCOTUS must do is to define, either what is "reasonable restriction" or what is "infringment", otherwise we will continue to get variations on the 2A "right" based on the whims of the legislature at both the federal and state levels.
    Yes, well until that happens the last legal definition of high capacity was the 10 round limit. SCOTUS never ruled the 10 round limit to be unconstitutional.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The numbers show the problem has grown worse since the ban. If it were up to me, both assault weapons and high capacity magazines would be banned. However, I am a realist, and realize that may not happen until we get more progressives in the House. For now, it appears that getting the background checks expanded to all gun sales is all that is politically likely. I am very happy about this as I think it will have the biggest effect on reducing the access by criminals and crazies to cheap guns in this country.
    By definition, aren't all weapons used for assaults? Define an assault weapon as you understand it...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what was the rational basis for a ten round limit?
    What was the rational basis for the 55 mph speed limit?
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yes, well until that happens the last legal definition of high capacity was the 10 round limit. SCOTUS never ruled the 10 round limit to be unconstitutional.
    and now the legal definition of a standard capacity magazine is whatever is issued with the weapon

    so ten years of arbitrary stupidity does not overrule 100 years of sanity



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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What was the rational basis for the 55 mph speed limit?
    none-other than saving gas which I believe was established. The Interstates were designed to be safe at 70 MPH



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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yes, well until that happens the last legal definition of high capacity was the 10 round limit. SCOTUS never ruled the 10 round limit to be unconstitutional.
    The law was allowed to "sunset" and you know why the NRA, or any other group/person with a brain, did not sue - the makeup of the SCOTUS virtually assured that it would stand forever. Many stated at the time that this was "step one", thus an affirmation of the AWB/MCL laws by the SCOTUS would have meant an immediate "step two". As you can see, they are at it again, even though gun crime continued to drop after this law had faded out of existance. The vast majority of gun crime does not depend on AWs or HCMs, it is gang/drug thug related, most often by repeat offenders and committed mainly with handguns.

    A reasonable attempt should be made, as I have said often, to designate "GUN OK" on all state issued, photo IDs after a check of the NICS database - that would allow EASY and efficient point of sale checks for guns and ammunition for both big, little and occasional sellers of these items. Universal point of sale access to the NICS database is not a good, or efficient, idea and without a very expensive and invasive national gun registration program one can never assure that no sales/transfers to criminals will occur. Beteer to have a better 90% solution at lower cost, than our current 60% solution at higher cost.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    By definition, aren't all weapons used for assaults? Define an assault weapon as you understand it...
    Since you are just interested in my definition, I would include all semi-automatic weapons with detachable magazines.
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