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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Defining "high capacity magazine" is like defining "high speed internet" or "high speed computer chip", it is constantly changing but usually UPWARDS and varies widely by the size of the round and the intended use of the gun. "Average" pistols hold between 6 and 17 rounds, so for a pistol "high capacity" would be anything over 17 rounds (my .380 pistol holds 15 rounds).

    High capacity magazine - An inexact, non-technical term indicating a magazine holding more rounds than might be considered "average.".

    What Are Considered High Capacity Gun Magazines? | eHow.com

    High-Capacity-Magazine Bans - Clayton E. Cramer - National Review Online

    High capacity magazines were defined in this study in the same way they were defined under 1994 law.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

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    Mass Shooting Incidents in America (1984-2012)

    Mass shootings are a unique feature of American life which have occurred consistently throughout history in every region of the country. The increased lethality of such incidents is made possible by the use of large capacity ammunition magazines (defined as more than 10-rounds) which enable a shooter to rapidly fire off as many as 100-rounds without having to reload the firearm. Designed for military use to kill greater numbers of people more effectively, large capacity ammunition magazines have facilitated some of the worst mass murders ever committed in the United States. As these incidents occur in every region of the country, restricting civilian access to these weapons is not a state specific problem. The federal government needs to take action to protect all Americans by reinstating the ban on large capacity ammunition magazines.

    This database provides an overview of significant mass shooting incidents in America (defined by the FBI as four or more victims killed), all of which involved large capacity ammunition magazines:

    Citizens Crime Commission of New York City - Mass Shooting Incidents in America (1984-2012)



    Show me any year during the 1994 -2004 ban when as many were killed with HCMs as last year?
    OK...that made me giggle a little bit. You DO know that there WAS no shortage of high cap magazines throughout that period and that even AFTER the ban ended they were STILL selling pre-ban magazines...right?

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    High capacity magazines were defined in this study in the same way they were defined under 1994 law.
    I know that but still question it, since "high" implies more than average or standard and 10 is definitely not "high" if standard is 15 to 17 rounds. I would say that 20 or less is an OK definition of the current pistol "standard", execpt for "assault weapons", which typically include a 30 round magazine as "standard".
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    OK...that made me giggle a little bit. You DO know that there WAS no shortage of high cap magazines throughout that period and that even AFTER the ban ended they were STILL selling pre-ban magazines...right?
    Not as many as there are today, which helped make 2012 the deadliest year in mass shootings. As the Baltimore Police Chief said, we need to “address the rising epidemic of gun violence in this nation."

    Police chief sees ‘epidemic’ of gun violence
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I know that but still question it, since "high" implies more than average or standard and 10 is definitely not "high" if standard is 15 to 17 rounds. I would say that 20 or less is an OK definition of the current pistol "standard", execpt for "assault weapons", which typically include a 30 round magazine as "standard".

    Most people, and studies, go by more than ten rounds which was the only legal definition we have ever had.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Most people, and studies, go by more than ten rounds which was the only legal definition we have ever had.
    It's now seven in NY. Is that now the new definition? BTW, did you ever bother to read the entire polling data I posted to you last evening?
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Because the federal government doesn't accept your claim that the general public has the same authority as does the police.
    you are wrong-as usual. Police do not have more authority to use lethal force than other civilians

    prove i am wrong since you constantly spew this crap



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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Most people, and studies, go by more than ten rounds which was the only legal definition we have ever had.
    it was an arbitrary number and Don Mafioso Cuomo proved that when he reacted to a felon killing people with a 30 shot gun by banning 10 rounds.



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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Most people, and studies, go by more than ten rounds which was the only legal definition we have ever had.
    We NEVER had a legal definition, IMHO. The SCOTUS permits, so far, both the states and the federal gov't to "limit" the right of the people to keep and bear arms, in various, thus non-standard ways. What good is a standard if it not the standard? Even more rediculous is making new "standards" that do not apply to anything made before that time.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    We NEVER had a legal definition, IMHO. The SCOTUS permits, so far, both the states and the federal gov't to "limit" the right of the people to keep and bear arms, in various, thus non-standard ways. What good is a standard if it not the standard? Even more rediculous is making new "standards" that do not apply to anything made before that time.
    you will never get catawba to proffer a rational argument why 10 rounds is the magic number

    clearly anything civilian police use is an objective standard

    ten rounds is something a bunch of assholes in politics pulled out of their asses. There were no studies, no data no nothing supporting that line



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