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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

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    1.9 million which was documented in the DOH statistics I provided from their website. You on the other hand haven't proven ****!
    Study Shows Brady Bill Had No Impact on Gun Homicides

    "The Brady Bill seems to have been a failure," Cook told a sparsely attended lecture in Caplin Pavilion March 11. "But that doesn't mean gun control is doomed to failure." - Study Shows Brady Bill Had No Impact on Gun Homicides
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

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    Study Shows Brady Bill Had No Impact on Gun Homicides

    "The Brady Bill seems to have been a failure," Cook told a sparsely attended lecture in Caplin Pavilion March 11. "But that doesn't mean gun control is doomed to failure." - Study Shows Brady Bill Had No Impact on Gun Homicides
    From your study:

    ""Maybe the law did save a handful of lives, a couple hundred per year," and that other public health and safety laws are enacted to save similar numbers of lives.

    On the plus side, there is strong evidence that the law undermined gun-running operations that were buying large numbers of guns in southern states and transporting them north for resale, he said."

    "Cook said the real problem is the law's "gaping barn door" for unregulated sales, mainly at gun shows,"
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

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    From your study:

    ""Maybe the law did save a handful of lives, a couple hundred per year," and that other public health and safety laws are enacted to save similar numbers of lives.

    On the plus side, there is strong evidence that the law undermined gun-running operations that were buying large numbers of guns in southern states and transporting them north for resale, he said."

    "Cook said the real problem is the law's "gaping barn door" for unregulated sales, mainly at gun shows,"
    Fact: It was a failure.

    #1 They are basing that on other laws and their effect and admit this by saying MAYBE. They are admitting it is speculation at best based on preexisting laws.

    #2 The "strong evidence" again is not supported by the number as no significant change occurred. Data shows a slow gradual decline in gun homicides from 1993 to the present, a trend that started before the Brady Bill passed You also left this out "Cook, who acknowledged that his personal sympathies are for gun control, Nice try.

    #3 You again left out the disclaimer but no one knows how many guns are bought with false IDs or exchanged privately, to say nothing of those being stolen.

    Taking statements out of context does not help your case.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    Fact: It was a failure.

    #1 They are basing that on other laws and their effect and admit this by saying MAYBE. They are admitting it is speculation at best based on preexisting laws.

    #2 The "strong evidence" again is not supported by the number as no significant change occurred. Data shows a slow gradual decline in gun homicides from 1993 to the present, a trend that started before the Brady Bill passed You also left this out "Cook, who acknowledged that his personal sympathies are for gun control, Nice try.

    #3 You again left out the disclaimer but no one knows how many guns are bought with false IDs or exchanged privately, to say nothing of those being stolen.

    Taking statements out of context does not help your case.


    I don't call saving a couple hundred lives a year a failure, and I don't call preventing gun sales to almost 2 million people that couldn't pass the background check to be a failure.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

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    I don't call saving a couple hundred lives a year a failure,
    It was a guess, speculation. They have no idea if that is the case or not. That is why AGAIN HE SAID MAYBE.

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    and I don't call preventing gun sales to almost 2 million people that couldn't pass the background check to be a failure.
    I have not seen the data that says this is the case.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    It was a guess, speculation. They have no idea if that is the case or not. That is why AGAIN HE SAID MAYBE.



    I have not seen the data that says this is the case.


    In 1997, the Supreme Court struck down the background check component on 10th Amendment grounds, ruling that the provision usurped states' rights. A new version was passed in 1998, this time covering all guns, instituting an "instant" background check of states' and FBI databases identifying criminals and requiring a three-day waiting period. Fingerprint checks have never been required. At the time it first passed, the law obliged 32 states to change laws to come into conformity. Laws in 18 states were already in compliance and these made an ideal control group for a study, Cook said. Following the 1998 revision only two states—Ohio and Arkansas—did not reestablish background checks, but Cook said they nonetheless remained in the group considered "treatment" states by the study.....snip~

    Considering most of all the background checks that they have been talking about. Have been existing law for some time now. Course minus the Privates selling, shows, and inheritance issue.

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    It was a guess, speculation. They have no idea if that is the case or not. That is why AGAIN HE SAID MAYBE.
    Not much of a study in that case.



    I have not seen the data that says this is the case.
    Here you go:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061411140
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Not much of a study in that case.
    Because it does not agree with your conclusions? How partisan of you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Where are the statistics BEFORE the Brady Bill was passed? Background checks from licensed dealers was law before the Brady bill was passed. Without any numbers to compare it to, it literally means nothing. I mean people were denied before the Brady bill was passed as well.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    Study Shows Brady Bill Had No Impact on Gun Homicides

    "The Brady Bill seems to have been a failure," Cook told a sparsely attended lecture in Caplin Pavilion March 11. "But that doesn't mean gun control is doomed to failure." - Study Shows Brady Bill Had No Impact on Gun Homicides
    quoting facts that the gun control laws are failures for stopping crime means nothing to people like Catawba. They are not motivated by decreasing crime. Their main goal is harassing legal gun owners for political reasons



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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    Because it does not agree with your conclusions? How partisan of you.



    Where are the statistics BEFORE the Brady Bill was passed? Background checks from licensed dealers was law before the Brady bill was passed. Without any numbers to compare it to, it literally means nothing. I mean people were denied before the Brady bill was passed as well.
    that's not true. BEfore the brady bill was passed (from 68 forward)dealers were required to have people fill out the form but there was no real background check except in a few states



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