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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    I don't agree. Some of those kids could have escaped while Lanza was reloading - if he had been using his mother's handgun. But it doesn't matter, we'll never know. But, like I said to Mr. Mack, if two people were going into separate rooms, both filled with 100 people, and they had 5 minutes to kill as many people as possible, and one had a 7 round 9mm and the other had a 30 round bush master, who do you suppose would kill more people? Is there really any doubt as to the answer of that question?

    What amazes me is how dedicated opponents of gun control are to pretending that handguns are just as deadly as a bush master. You cite different circumstances as though comparing apples and oranges means anything. This is such a stupid debate that takes all the focus away from where it should be going. Ya'll need to give it up. I'd give it up, but I have a hard time doing so because it's so obvious that I'm right.
    when I see an idiotic assertion like that I know I am dealing with someone who is really ignorant about weapon usage.

    deadly is a silly term and is based on ignorance

    different environments make one weapon more "deadly than others"

    for example an AR 15 is pretty worthless in a very close quarters like an elevator. Its hard to sneak up on a well guarded politician with an AR 15. Its also pretty worthless past about 600 yards unless you have a real expert.

    a thousand yards away, a Tubbs 6mm target rifle with a good scope is far more deadly than an AR 15

    at two feet in a crowded room, a 38 special is far more deadly as well

    defending a room by covering the door-a 12 G shotgun with #4 buck is more deadly


    YOu are obviously wrong



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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    Every one of those suggestions has a detrimental effect on the citizens of this country. Banning certain types of guns (not "banning guns," adopting new regulations which include the prohibition of a certain few types of firearms) does no harm to anyone. Sorry, I know you love to shoot big, powerful guns, and I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with is that you don't need them - no citizen needs them - and they can fall into the hands of a disturbed individual who uses them to kill dozens of people (or more). So the result is nobody is worse off, everybody is better off. That's what is very different from any of your oh-so-hilarious suggestions.
    well to a gun hater like you banning guns means nothing. You have no ability to claim that it harms no one.

    Banning Homosexual sodomy wouldn't harm me or most people. So your argument is just as specious. And it will harm you to if they are banned because if the government takes them away people will die and people who have advocated seizing those guns are going to be primary targets to some gun owners.

    You don't need most of what you have. YOu don't need a computer, free speech or much of anything beyond water, food, air and shelter.

    and My freedoms are not going to be taken away just so you can feel better.



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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Then answer this: why has the ATF been without a appointed leader for over 6 years? Why is the ATF always the target of spending cuts when it has a important job to do?
    The ATF should be shut down. it has no legitimate constitutional function to start with. real law enforcement can deal with real crimes.



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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    "Would you support or oppose a law requiring background checks on people buying guns at gun shows?"

    Support Oppose Unsure
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    1/10-13/13
    88 11 1


    5/00
    92 6 2


    8/30 - 9/2/99
    90 9 1


    5/99
    89 11 -

    This probably won't show up very well, but it shows the change in sentiment over time. Background checks have always been popular when polled as a single question, but it's actually a tad lower recently than in 1999...

    None of your polls show support less than 88% going all the way back to 1999. The support is even more longstanding than I originally thought. Thanks for bringing that to our attentions!
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    None of your polls show support less than 88% going all the way back to 1999. The support is even more longstanding than I originally thought. Thanks for bringing that to our attentions!
    You're hopeless. Just read the damn thing...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    WASHINGTON -- "Nearly every participant in Wednesday's Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on gun violence had something to say about universal background checks. But Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), the committee chairman, made a point to highlight the huge impact tighter checks would have in stemming domestic violence -- the focus of another of his priority issues, the Violence Against Women Act."

    "Addressing panelists including NRA president Wayne LaPierre, Leahy said statistics show that women in the U.S. are killed "at alarming rates" by domestic abusers with guns, but in states that require background checks for handgun sales, 38 percent fewer women are shot by their partners. He asked one panelist, Baltimore Police Chief Jim Johnson, whether universal background checks would have a significant effect on keeping guns away from domestic abusers. Currently, background checks are not required by private gun sellers or at gun shows.

    "Absolutely," Johnson said. "Statistics show that when females are killed, it's more likely, over 50 percent of the time, to be by a spouse or household member. A gun in a home where there is a history of domestic violence, statistics show that there is a 500 percent increase of chance that that person will be victimized by gun violence."

    "Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) is expected to unveil bipartisan legislation targeting universal background checks any day now. Sens. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) and Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) have been mentioned as possible co-sponsors."

    Patrick Leahy Ties VAWA To Gun Violence Debate
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Once again you make derogatory comments and present nothing to back up your case. There is a...trend...
    Ohmigosh! Seriously? You posted one snip from the Brady site (complete with instructions on how to use it) and I countered with...what...a dozen different sources NOT a completely biased group...and you want to talk about having 'nothing to back a case'. Good lawd, son...that's just...sad.

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Ohmigosh! Seriously? You posted one snip from the Brady site (complete with instructions on how to use it) and I countered with...what...a dozen different sources NOT a completely biased group...and you want to talk about having 'nothing to back a case'. Good lawd, son...that's just...sad.
    All based on a false premise that was purely your unsubstantiated opinion. And yes, that is just sad.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    All based on a false premise that was purely your unsubstantiated opinion. And yes, that is just sad.
    The 'false premise' was your lie that the Brady Bill prevented 19 people from getting weapons...mostly felons. Proven a lie.

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The 'false premise' was your lie that the Brady Bill prevented 19 people from getting weapons...mostly felons. Proven a lie.
    1.9 million which was documented in the DOH statistics I provided from their website. You on the other hand haven't proven ****!
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