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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Already provided it:
    I said proof. Not blogs. The only proof that you can bring is court cases since you are claiming that the courts ruled that the 2nd only applied to militias. Try again.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I said proof. Not blogs. The only proof that you can bring is court cases since you are claiming that the courts ruled that the 2nd only applied to militias. Try again.
    A blog with a finding by Constitutional Scholar, Jeffrey Toobin, as opposed to an unsubstantiated opinion by an anonymous political forum poster.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    One that didn't doesn't negate the many that do. No one has claimed we will stop every criminal and crazy from getting their hands on guns. The idea is to make it harder and more expensive for them.
    The last time I checked, a criminal has not been deterred by cost, and it has never been that difficult for a criminal to get any gun he/she wanted. Personally, I think States are capable of regulating guns shows and any resulting sales. The Federal government has no standing in the issue except to ensure States are not infringing on their citizens' basic Constitutional rights...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    The last time I checked, a criminal has not been deterred by cost, and it has never been that difficult for a criminal to get any gun he/she wanted. Personally, I think States are capable of regulating guns shows and any resulting sales. The Federal government has no standing in the issue except to ensure States are not infringing on their citizens' basic Constitutional rights...
    You will have your day in court to make your case after the background check is expanded.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    A blog that featured the opinion of Constitutional Scholar, Jeffrey Toobin. Your quote did not disprove what Mr. Toobin stated.
    Yes it did. I quoted the Supreme Court directly, the Heller decision. You can read the entire ruling here: District Of Columbia v. Heller

    Multiple sections of the court's opinion and orders declare that the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right which does not require militia duty. Anyone who claims otherwise is wrong. Everyone can go directly to the Heller decision and read for themselves what SCOTUS said.

    For example:
    The Second Amendment is naturally divided into two
    parts: its prefatory clause and its operative clause. The
    former does not limit the latter grammatically, but rather
    announces a purpose. The Amendment could be re*
    phrased, “Because a well regulated Militia is necessary to
    the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep
    and bear Arms shall not be infringed
    .”
    Logic demands that there be a link between the stated
    purpose and the command. The Second Amendment
    would be nonsensical if it read, “A well regulated Militia,
    being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of
    the people to petition for redress of grievances shall not be
    infringed
    .”
    But it is easy
    to see why petitioners and the dissent are driven to the
    hybrid definition. Giving “bear Arms” its idiomatic mean*
    ing would cause the protected right to consist of the right
    to be a soldier or to wage war—an absurdity that no
    commentator has ever endorsed.
    Finally, JUSTICE STEVENS suggests that “keep and bear
    Arms
    ” was some sort of term of art, presumably akin to
    hue and cry” or “cease and desist.” (This suggestion
    usefully evades the problem that there is no evidence
    whatsoever to support a military reading of “keep arms.”)
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    A blog with a finding by Constitutional Scholar, Jeffrey Toobin, as opposed to an unsubstantiated opinion by an anonymous political forum poster.
    Hey, if there are 100 years of precedent then certainly you and Toobin can come up with at least ONE SCOTUS case in which the court ruled that the 2nd only applies to the Militia. Your blog didn't even cite ONE case.

    Quit dancing around and give the proof.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You will have your day in court to make your case after the background check is expanded.
    I really don't envision Harry doing anything to rile the gun lobby. He is a Senator from NV, correct?
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yes it did. I quoted the Supreme Court directly, the Heller decision. You can read the entire ruling here: District Of Columbia v. Heller

    Multiple sections of the court's opinion and orders declare that the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right which does not require militia duty. Anyone who claims otherwise is wrong. Everyone can go directly to the Heller decision and read for themselves what SCOTUS said.

    For example:
    I did not argue what current interpretation is.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    I really don't envision Harry doing anything to rile the gun lobby. He is a Senator from NV, correct?
    I don't think Harry has anything to worry about. 92% support background checks for all gun sales. Even a majority of Republicans support it.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I don't think Harry has anything to worry about. 92% support background checks for all gun sales. Even a majority of Republicans support it.
    Can you support the 92% figure you're using with recent polling data (recent being within the past seven days)?
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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