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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I am not arguing that the present day interpretation by the courts that the 2nd Amendment applies to individuals. That doesn't however mean that it wasn't interpreted by the courts for a century to mean a state militia and not individual right to bear arms. Under a more liberal court, the interpretation of the 2nd Amendment may change again in the future.

    And getting back to the OP, it doesn't mean that a ban on high capacity magazines would necessarily be ruled to be an infringement of the 2nd Amendment.
    Au contraire. the fact is that we have ALWAYS had consistent rulings...or did you miss the fact that it is you and people like you attempting to alter and change what has been accepted historically?

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

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    Au contraire. the fact is that we have ALWAYS had consistent rulings...or did you miss the fact that it is you and people like you attempting to alter and change what has been accepted historically?
    Thanks for your opinion on constitutional history, but I'll go with the Constitutional Scholar who found that for over 100 years, SCOTUS interpreted the 2nd to mean it applied to a state militia and not individuals.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Part of reducing accessibility to criminals and crazies is increasing costs.
    Criminals are not in the habit of acquiring their guns through legal means. They are usually stolen or purchased on the streets at prevailing value. "Crazies" are a whole other issue...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Thanks for your opinion on constitutional history, but I'll go with the Constitutional Scholar who found that for over 100 years, SCOTUS interpreted the 2nd to mean it applied to a state militia and not individuals.
    You ALWAYS side with those few minority voices that fit your ideology and ignore facts and reality. There is a...trend...

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Aren't you ignoring the 100 years that SCOTUS considered the 2nd Amendment to apply to state militia's and not individuals?
    Proof? Good luck in that as they actually they never did do that. As my first link explained...

    It was the first Supreme Court case in United States history to decide whether the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms for self-defense.[2]
    Besides which it wouldn't matter if other past SCOTUS cases decided different or not. The newest ones over rule the past ones.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That's a $385 difference. Higher price means restricted accessibility.
    Are you really trying to equate private sellers price to government infringements? Wow...
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Part of reducing accessibility to criminals and crazies is increasing costs.
    Maybe to you, but have some pity on we, not so rich, law abiding folks.

    If you want to reduce gun/ammo access to crazies then don't give them student loans/grants like the Batloon in CO. Legalize drugs and cut criminal/gang profits too. Many things can be done without simply taxing things for everyone to make rights too expensive to afford.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You ALWAYS side with those few minority voices that fit your ideology and ignore facts and reality. There is a...trend...
    It might make one wonder how a Constitutional scholar could get the recess appointment process so wrong...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Criminals are not in the habit of acquiring their guns through legal means. They are usually stolen or purchased on the streets at prevailing value. "Crazies" are a whole other issue...
    Criminals and crazies can currently buy cheap guns at gun shows in 40 states without a background check. New York City found that 85% of the guns used in murders there came from out of state.

    The idea is to make harder and more expensive for criminals and crazies to acquire guns.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Are you really trying to equate private sellers price to government infringements? Wow...
    What has been ruled to be an infringement?
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