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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    Every one of those suggestions has a detrimental effect on the citizens of this country. Banning certain types of guns (not "banning guns," adopting new regulations which include the prohibition of a certain few types of firearms) does no harm to anyone. Sorry, I know you love to shoot big, powerful guns, and I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with is that you don't need them - no citizen needs them - and they can fall into the hands of a disturbed individual who uses them to kill dozens of people (or more). So the result is nobody is worse off, everybody is better off. That's what is very different from any of your oh-so-hilarious suggestions.
    since when are rights based on need?

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Who are you to determine what I need to protect my family and property? Each person has there unique needs and preferences when it comes to firearms or any other defense mechanism. To make a blanket statement of "you don't need them" is the height of arrogance showing a complete lack for situational preferences. You may not like some of the choices available and that's fine, but you have no right deny others from making their own choices...

    I think the testimony of David Wheeler, father of the late Ben Wheeler, answers that best:

    “As elected representatives,” he said, “it is your job to craft the legislation that keeps your constituents safe. Thomas Jefferson described our inalienable rights as life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, the rights with which we are endowed, for the protection of which we have instituted governments.”

    “I do not think the composition of that foundational phrase was an accident,” Mr. Wheeler continued. “I do not think the order of those important words was haphazard or casual. Liberty, of a person to own a high-powered magazine, is second to the right of my son to his life. His life. To the right to live, of all of those children and those teachers. To the right to the lives of your children, of you, of all of us. All of our lives. It is second. Let’s honor the founding documents, and get our priorities straight.”


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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I even bolded the relevent parts for you and you still ignore it. I might disagree with SCOTUS on occasion but at least I don't ignore them outright.
    Aren't you ignoring the 100 years that SCOTUS considered the 2nd Amendment to apply to state militia's and not individuals?
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I think the testimony of David Wheeler, father of the late Ben Wheeler, answers that best:

    “As elected representatives,” he said, “it is your job to craft the legislation that keeps your constituents safe. Thomas Jefferson described our inalienable rights as life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, the rights with which we are endowed, for the protection of which we have instituted governments.”

    “I do not think the composition of that foundational phrase was an accident,” Mr. Wheeler continued. “I do not think the order of those important words was haphazard or casual. Liberty, of a person to own a high-powered magazine, is second to the right of my son to his life. His life. To the right to live, of all of those children and those teachers. To the right to the lives of your children, of you, of all of us. All of our lives. It is second. Let’s honor the founding documents, and get our priorities straight.”


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    How is that quote any kind of credential for you?

    In fact that quote harms your argument.

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Besides the obvious argument, that criminals do not obey laws, especially the suicidal ones, you leave out an important, still legal, weapons option; using multiple semi-automatic handguns. They are much easier to conceal allowing one to gain entry appearing to be "normal", and with a loaded backup gun (or two) at the ready, you can more confidently choose when to attempt a brief pause for a magazine swap. Note that you still have the ability to use the backup handgun(s) for covering fire. Pistol ammo is smaller and lighter so you may also carry more total rounds. The bottom line is that without confiscation of the existing "scary looking" weapons and the larger capacity magazines they will likely still remain readily available for at least 50 years.
    What is the cost of multiple semi-automatic handguns?
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Aren't you ignoring the 100 years that SCOTUS considered the 2nd Amendment to apply to state militia's and not individuals?
    I am concerned by people who form groups like the huwtari millita.

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I think the testimony of David Wheeler, father of the late Ben Wheeler, answers that best:

    “As elected representatives,” he said, “it is your job to craft the legislation that keeps your constituents safe. Thomas Jefferson described our inalienable rights as life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, the rights with which we are endowed, for the protection of which we have instituted governments.”

    “I do not think the composition of that foundational phrase was an accident,” Mr. Wheeler continued. “I do not think the order of those important words was haphazard or casual. Liberty, of a person to own a high-powered magazine, is second to the right of my son to his life. His life. To the right to live, of all of those children and those teachers. To the right to the lives of your children, of you, of all of us. All of our lives. It is second. Let’s honor the founding documents, and get our priorities straight.”


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    Apparently Mr Wheeler would have preferred his son died by being shot with a .22 than a .223. Look...we get it. Horrible tragedy drives the parent to somehow make the tragedy 'count'. They cling to a cause to give it all meaning. Its understandable...but folly. Unhindered gunman walking a school for 10 minutes. It doesnt MATTER what type of weapon he used. Any more than it mattered at Virginia Tech. But cling to the 'cause'.

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I think the testimony of David Wheeler, father of the late Ben Wheeler, answers that best:

    “As elected representatives,” he said, “it is your job to craft the legislation that keeps your constituents safe. Thomas Jefferson described our inalienable rights as life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, the rights with which we are endowed, for the protection of which we have instituted governments.”

    “I do not think the composition of that foundational phrase was an accident,” Mr. Wheeler continued. “I do not think the order of those important words was haphazard or casual. Liberty, of a person to own a high-powered magazine, is second to the right of my son to his life. His life. To the right to live, of all of those children and those teachers. To the right to the lives of your children, of you, of all of us. All of our lives. It is second. Let’s honor the founding documents, and get our priorities straight.”


    Another Newtown Parent Answers Non-Heckling Gun Nuts Everywhere | Mediaite
    So, now the magazine itself is a high-powered weapon? Using emotional statements of those who have just lost a loved one does nothing to promote any argument you are attempting to get across. I don't agree with his statements, but I certainly understand his emotions...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    How is that quote any kind of credential for you?

    In fact that quote harms your argument.


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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Aren't you ignoring the 100 years that SCOTUS considered the 2nd Amendment to apply to state militia's and not individuals?
    Amendments to the Constitution of the United States of America

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed
    DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA ET AL. v. HELLER

    Held:
    1. The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.
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