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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The Courts already decided on the 2nd Amendment...

    District of Columbia vs Heller



    And the following applied the 2nd to the States along with reaffirming that the 2nd Amendment applies to individuals also...

    McDonald v. Chicago



    Sorry but your "constitutional scholars" just got owned.


    You didn't read what they wrote, if you think they got owned.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You didn't read what they wrote, if you think they got owned.
    Funny how you ignore SCOTUS when it suits you yet run to it the second you think it will "help" your arguement.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what could have saved lives

    1) getting rid of Miranda

    2) getting rid of bail and bond

    3) stop providing free attorneys to criminal defendants

    4) getting rid of innocent until proven guilty

    5) jailing all male blacks until the age of 40


    every one of those silly suggestions would actually save more lives than your idiotic suggestion of banning guns
    Every one of those suggestions has a detrimental effect on the citizens of this country. Banning certain types of guns (not "banning guns," adopting new regulations which include the prohibition of a certain few types of firearms) does no harm to anyone. Sorry, I know you love to shoot big, powerful guns, and I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with is that you don't need them - no citizen needs them - and they can fall into the hands of a disturbed individual who uses them to kill dozens of people (or more). So the result is nobody is worse off, everybody is better off. That's what is very different from any of your oh-so-hilarious suggestions.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Funny how you ignore SCOTUS when it suits you yet run to it the second you think it will "help" your arguement.
    I was about to say the same about you!
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I wasn't talking about agreeable to you personally. Our laws are not made to only consider an individual. They are made to what best serves the majority of the population. The majority via their representatives will decide which laws best address the problems, and then the courts will determine if those laws are constitutional or not. That is how US rule of law works.
    Boy talk about being off-topic. Your post has nothing to do with anything I've said.

    What about my proposal isn't agreeable?

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    There may be people who say that banning certain types of guns will solve the problem, or just solve a problem. You can argue with them, because I'm not one of those people. I believe that we have a huge, complicated problem with gun violence in this country and it has to do with a lot of things - the media, our treatment of mental health issues, health care in general, economic disparity, the existence of sociopaths, and the unknown. And the gun culture we have doesn't help. A lot of Americans are so afraid that they're going to be attacked by a group of gang members who want nothing more than to kill a random person. That's paranoid and delusional thinking which has no basis on reality.

    My argument is pretty simple. If you were going to kill a lot of people, do you think you would want to use handguns or a bush master? Or if your family was being attacked by a hundred mafia members with tommy guns, which gun would you choose?

    The latter doesn't ever happen, but the former does. That's it. Common sense. You're arguing as though I'm proposing that banning certain types of guns will solve a problem, and my argument is that it could prevent a horrible, horrible tragedy - or rather, it could change a horrible, horrible tragedy into a horrible tragedy.
    Since the facts prove that Heung Cho killed more ADULTS with a handgun at a college campus than children were killed by Adam Lanza in 10 minutes with a Bushmaster, I would say that a thinking man would actually have his answer. Unless of course you were intent on making this be about the assault rifle. If THAT were the case you would ignore the facts about Cho...and Holmes...and Kinkel...and Columbine..and cling to the eeeevil assault rifle rhetoric.

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    What does the center for disease control have to do with gun crime? This should worry people as they are trying to use a completely unrelated government body to manufacture, yes manufacture another reason to strip our 2nd amendment rights.
    Sorry if said already, but it's my understanding Liberals were abusing government (imagine that), basically using taxpayer dollars via the CDC, to promote the gun control agenda.
    Congress agreed they were misbehaving and agreed to prohibit them from using taxpayer dollars there, as a result.

    They want to resume using taxpayer dollars to promote their agenda and create junk science based on political/emotional rhetoric, to then drive stricter gun law legislation. I wonder if they should be doing the same for the environmental research.....

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    Every one of those suggestions has a detrimental effect on the citizens of this country. Banning certain types of guns (not "banning guns," adopting new regulations which include the prohibition of a certain few types of firearms) does no harm to anyone. Sorry, I know you love to shoot big, powerful guns, and I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with is that you don't need them - no citizen needs them - and they can fall into the hands of a disturbed individual who uses them to kill dozens of people (or more). So the result is nobody is worse off, everybody is better off. That's what is very different from any of your oh-so-hilarious suggestions.
    Who are you to determine what I need to protect my family and property? Each person has there unique needs and preferences when it comes to firearms or any other defense mechanism. To make a blanket statement of "you don't need them" is the height of arrogance showing a complete lack for situational preferences. You may not like some of the choices available and that's fine, but you have no right deny others from making their own choices...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I was about to say the same about you!
    I even bolded the relevent parts for you and you still ignore it. I might disagree with SCOTUS on occasion but at least I don't ignore them outright.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    I don't agree. Some of those kids could have escaped while Lanza was reloading - if he had been using his mother's handgun. But it doesn't matter, we'll never know. But, like I said to Mr. Mack, if two people were going into separate rooms, both filled with 100 people, and they had 5 minutes to kill as many people as possible, and one had a 7 round 9mm and the other had a 30 round bush master, who do you suppose would kill more people? Is there really any doubt as to the answer of that question?

    What amazes me is how dedicated opponents of gun control are to pretending that handguns are just as deadly as a bush master. You cite different circumstances as though comparing apples and oranges means anything. This is such a stupid debate that takes all the focus away from where it should be going. Ya'll need to give it up. I'd give it up, but I have a hard time doing so because it's so obvious that I'm right.
    Besides the obvious argument, that criminals do not obey laws, especially the suicidal ones, you leave out an important, still legal, weapons option; using multiple semi-automatic handguns. They are much easier to conceal allowing one to gain entry appearing to be "normal", and with a loaded backup gun (or two) at the ready, you can more confidently choose when to attempt a brief pause for a magazine swap. Note that you still have the ability to use the backup handgun(s) for covering fire. Pistol ammo is smaller and lighter so you may also carry more total rounds. The bottom line is that without confiscation of the existing "scary looking" weapons and the larger capacity magazines they will likely still remain readily available for at least 50 years.
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