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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why do you want a magazine limit-so the rest of the country has to suffer the same stupidity people in NY are under?
    Nobody needs a 100-round drum magazine.

    Such toys are useful for two things: ripping **** apart like a damn fool, or killing lots of people in a small amount of time.

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That is your interpretation. Constitutional scholars say the right to bear arms is for a militia regulated by the state and disciplined by Congress.

    Ultimately, it will be up to the courts to decide.
    The Courts already decided on the 2nd Amendment...

    District of Columbia vs Heller

    District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), was a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution protects an individual's right to possess a firearm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home and within federal enclaves.
    And the following applied the 2nd to the States along with reaffirming that the 2nd Amendment applies to individuals also...

    McDonald v. Chicago

    McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. ___ (2010), is a landmark[1] decision of the Supreme Court of the United States that determined whether the Second Amendment applies to the individual states. The Court held that the right of an individual to "keep and bear arms" protected by the Second Amendment is incorporated by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and applies to the states. The decision cleared up the uncertainty left in the wake of District of Columbia v. Heller as to the scope of gun rights in regard to the states.
    Sorry but your "constitutional scholars" just got owned.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Spring99 View Post
    Nobody needs a 100-round drum magazine.

    Such toys are useful for two things: ripping **** apart like a damn fool, or killing lots of people in a small amount of time.
    And no gun owner that knows anything buys them either (okay, maybe the person who has to have at least one of everything). They are highly unreliable and of no use in any tactical situation...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    4 years undergrad, 3 in law school, another 2 for the masters of law.
    Puleeze. It doesn't take thousands of dollars to attend some school for X amount of years to become a Cosntitutional Scholar. It just takes studying the Constitution and those who wrote it along with studying the history that led to the Constitution being made.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    The House won't limit magazines anytime soon either, although many magazines should be limited to seven or less pages five of which should be advertisements...
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Thats simply not realistic. 10 minutes. 10 minutes with no police response. Do you know how many rounds you can fire in 10 minutes? Do you know how long it takes to reload a handgun? This inane drive to target 'assault rifles' is nothing more than a 'cause'. Its the same inane cause extremist leftists have been in pursuit of for decades. They dont CARE that it is irrelevant. They dont CARE about the facts. The NYPD Commissioner, a FAN of banning guns, came out this week and stated that in the nearly 1400 shootings that occurred in NYC only THREE could be balistically matched to a long rifle of ANY kind. I can cite you facts, incident reports, case studies that show conclusively that the TYPE of weapon used in mass shootings since 1980 is IRRELEVANT to numbers of deceased. It wont make a difference. You will cling to the rhetoric because you support the 'cause'. The cause isnt 'saving lives'...it is attacking a specific style of firearm legally owned and responsibly used by the VAST majority on gun owners (and vast is of course a DRAMATIC understatement).

    Never let facts get in the way of your zeal to promote an ideological cause.
    There may be people who say that banning certain types of guns will solve the problem, or just solve a problem. You can argue with them, because I'm not one of those people. I believe that we have a huge, complicated problem with gun violence in this country and it has to do with a lot of things - the media, our treatment of mental health issues, health care in general, economic disparity, the existence of sociopaths, and the unknown. And the gun culture we have doesn't help. A lot of Americans are so afraid that they're going to be attacked by a group of gang members who want nothing more than to kill a random person. That's paranoid and delusional thinking which has no basis on reality.

    My argument is pretty simple. If you were going to kill a lot of people, do you think you would want to use handguns or a bush master? Or if your family was being attacked by a hundred mafia members with tommy guns, which gun would you choose?

    The latter doesn't ever happen, but the former does. That's it. Common sense. You're arguing as though I'm proposing that banning certain types of guns will solve a problem, and my argument is that it could prevent a horrible, horrible tragedy - or rather, it could change a horrible, horrible tragedy into a horrible tragedy.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Sharp and droll as ever, I see - goodafternoon V1.1 - have fun
    I will, but it is a jungle out there. Good afternoon to you as well...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The Courts already decided on the 2nd Amendment...

    District of Columbia vs Heller



    And the following applied the 2nd to the States along with reaffirming that the 2nd Amendment applies to individuals also...

    McDonald v. Chicago



    Sorry but your "constitutional scholars" just got owned.
    Not exactly since states can still use many things such as CCW permits and CHLs to limit the right to bear arms independently of the right to keep arms. It makes no sense to me that you can buy/keep a gun that you are not leaglly able to carry. Much like saying that a carpenter may own tools yet not take them to the job site without state permission. The 2A, and federal law, makes no distinction between keep and bear yet the SCOTUS allows it (so far) to be done by the states.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I think the purpose of the Feinstein bill was to get people of the ultra conservative persuasion to make fools of themselves to convince the majority of the public that extending background checks were needed to reduce accessibility to guns by criminals and crazies. Appears to be working too! Public support for background checks for all gun sales is now at 92%.

    Thanks for a job well done!

    Nah, not at all as Feinstein has always wanted Bans on Guns. Which she wouldn't have went thru a list of guns for nothing trying to see if she could get some sort of agreement from Moderates. So I doubt you can spin it that way. Was that some sort of Demo Underground talking point? Trying to fall back to an issue in which people agree that Criminals and people with Mental Handicaps should be restricted from firearms is not any type of political victory for the left. Nor will the Democrats be allowed to spin it any other way. Face the facts Feinstein's Bill with any type of ban is DOA on Capitol Hill. Which means Obama and his deflection with this issue. Loses!

    Did you forget that the L.E. Agencies are also part of the NRA and other Gun Groups? You do understand about those Unions.....Correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    No, it wouldn't have. The killer in Newtown shot children MULTIPLE times at point blank range to make sure they were dead. Meaning he took his sweet ass time in doing so. A so called "assault weapons ban" would not have prevented the deaths that occured by that sick individual.
    I don't agree. Some of those kids could have escaped while Lanza was reloading - if he had been using his mother's handgun. But it doesn't matter, we'll never know. But, like I said to Mr. Mack, if two people were going into separate rooms, both filled with 100 people, and they had 5 minutes to kill as many people as possible, and one had a 7 round 9mm and the other had a 30 round bush master, who do you suppose would kill more people? Is there really any doubt as to the answer of that question?

    What amazes me is how dedicated opponents of gun control are to pretending that handguns are just as deadly as a bush master. You cite different circumstances as though comparing apples and oranges means anything. This is such a stupid debate that takes all the focus away from where it should be going. Ya'll need to give it up. I'd give it up, but I have a hard time doing so because it's so obvious that I'm right.
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