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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The Brady gun law requiring background checks for gun purchases was signed into law in 1994. When was it ruled to be an infringement of the 2nd Amendment?
    I never claimed it was.

    I could argue that it is tho.

    Here is a good example. Should some 35-year-old man be restricted from buying a gun because when he was 18 he was caught with a pound of weed which makes him technically a felon despite the fact he has had a clean record for the last 17 years?

    Should an 18-year-old kid be labeled a sex offender and a felon because he banged his 16-year-old girlfriend?

    Our laws don't make any damn sense. Some people do funky **** and get caught and others do the same but don't get caught - so why the hell does a background check matter? As if the damn thing will somehow give you an insight into an individuals psyche?

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    A compromise has to be agreeable to both sides.
    Remember that "agreeable" doesn't mean you like it, "agreeable" doesn't mean it only has things which you want. "Agreeable" means you can live with the parts that you don't like in exchange to receive the parts that you do like.

    I don't like any licencing, I don't like training requirements, I don't like NICS, I don't like being told how I have to store my guns, I don't like the government tracking who's on what medication and tracking who buys a gun or ammo. I will live with those, however, if I can have the Hughes Amendment removed.

    What about that isn't agreeable?

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Ah, an anarchist! That explains a lot!
    I'm not an anarchist, I believe in the Tenth Amendment you know - just not umbrella authority.

    The federal government has zero right dictating, if they did the Tenth Amendment wouldn't exist.

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You get the GOP to sign off on it, and we'll take a look at it!
    Gun ownership is not a left/right issue, and I'm not associated with the GOP in any way, even remotely.

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    Sure, you can kill a lot of people with a handgun. The most deadly attacks are the ones committed in a closed environment that's crowded. But that doesn't change the fact that if a gun fires twice as many bullets in the same time, it is capable of twice as many casualties in the same time. I've heard your argument from a million people a million times, and I'm never impressed because I've never had anybody convince me that there is an advantage to maintaining production and sales of weapons like the Bushmaster. Disadvantage - a killer using the weapon instead of a handgun in otherwise identical circumstances will kill more people. Advantages - civilians will be able to better defend their families from large groups of organized criminals in cases of involvement with drug manufacturing/trafficking, the mafia, or ancient aliens. I mean, come one! Paranoid Americans trump common sense?

    Will it save the world? No. But it could have saved some of the children who died in Newtown, and that alone would be worth making some paranoid guys in Texas angry.
    what could have saved lives

    1) getting rid of Miranda

    2) getting rid of bail and bond

    3) stop providing free attorneys to criminal defendants

    4) getting rid of innocent until proven guilty

    5) jailing all male blacks until the age of 40


    every one of those silly suggestions would actually save more lives than your idiotic suggestion of banning guns



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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I didn't claim that all Constitutional scholars agree. That's why I said, "Ultimately, it will be up to the courts to decide."






    4 years undergrad, 3 in law school, another 2 for the masters of law.
    how many "constitutional scholars" have an Llm in constitutional law?

    Not Akhil Amar-I know him well-his "masters" was his clerkship

    Amar is a summa cum laude graduate of Yale College (B.A., 1980) and a graduate of the Yale Law School (J.D. 1984), where he was an editor of the Yale Law Journal. Amar clerked for now-U.S. Supreme Court Justice
    Stephen Breyer when he was a judge on the First Circuit Court of Appeals.

    NOt the CJ


    Roberts grew up in northern Indiana and was educated in a private school before attending Harvard College and Harvard Law School, where he was managing editor of the Harvard Law Review. After being admitted to the bar, he served as a law clerk for Judge Henry Friendly and then Justice Rehnquist before taking a position in the Attorney General's office during the Reagan Administration.


    Not Steven Calabresi

    After graduating cum laude from Yale College in 1980,[2] he attended Yale Law School, where he was the Note & Topics Editor of the Yale Law Journal, and went on to clerk for The Hon. Robert Bork on the D.C. Circuit and Justice Antonin Scalia on the United States Supreme Court.


    Those are three of the leading constitutional experts in the USA



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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I never claimed it was.
    Glad we are in agreement!


    I could argue that it is tho.
    You could speculate that it is. Only the courts are given judicial powers under the constitution.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Remember that "agreeable" doesn't mean you like it, "agreeable" doesn't mean it only has things which you want. "Agreeable" means you can live with the parts that you don't like in exchange to receive the parts that you do like.

    I don't like any licencing, I don't like training requirements, I don't like NICS, I don't like being told how I have to store my guns, I don't like the government tracking who's on what medication and tracking who buys a gun or ammo. I will live with those, however, if I can have the Hughes Amendment removed.

    What about that isn't agreeable?

    I wasn't talking about agreeable to you personally. Our laws are not made to only consider an individual. They are made to what best serves the majority of the population. The majority via their representatives will decide which laws best address the problems, and then the courts will determine if those laws are constitutional or not. That is how US rule of law works.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I wasn't talking about agreeable to you personally. Our laws are not made to only consider an individual. They are made to what best serves the majority of the population. The majority via their representatives will decide which laws best address the problems, and then the courts will determine if those laws are constitutional or not. That is how US rule of law works.

    so of the senate fails to pass the idiotic Feinswine bill I guess you will be trumpeting its the will of the people?



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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I'm not an anarchist, I believe in the Tenth Amendment you know - just not umbrella authority.

    The federal government has zero right dictating, if they did the Tenth Amendment wouldn't exist.

    What's the difference between a tenther and an anarchist
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