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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Wow a background check to buy a gun... That doesn't infringe on the Second Amendment.

    Anyone can buy a gun - gun regulations don't work.
    Nirvana would be no regulations on firearms except for quality control.

    However, I believe that will require a revolution, and I don't think America is to that point.

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    A mag limit is like telling a woman she can only have 1 abortion every few years. Now there's very few women who will ever need more than 1 abortion within a 2-3 year time frame, but of those who do, why do you need to deny them?

    There are many more people who need 30rnd mags for perfectly lawful uses then there are women who will need more than one abortion in a 2-3 year time frame.

    A mag limit is also like limiting someone to a sex to marry. If they are otherwise obeying the law and are peaceable people, why do you need to limit their right to marry to only the opposite sex? Likewise, if they are otherwise obeying the law and are peaceable people, why do you need to limit the amount of ammunition a rifle will hold?
    The way I see it - what is the difference? accuracy?

    May as well ban individuals from being marksman next..

    One guy could hit 7 with a glock, the next guy could have an AR and hit no one, so I suppose our friends with the clip argument have a point that is moot.

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Absolutely. So, let's repeal the Hughes Amendment, and at the same time have the ATF make a "shall issue" licence which will require a 16hr class (including qualification), knowledge test, fingerprinting, and a background check every moth for the entire life of the permit. If you want a class-3 item, no problem, you just have to complete an additional approved class on that kind of firearm, have the endorsement put on your licence, and you're good to go.

    As for ammunition, you would need to present this licence at the point-of-sale. If you reload your own ammunition, then you just need to present your licence when you buy supplies or equipment. We could even make it an offence to possess ammunition if you don't have a licence.

    We would nee a junior version of this licence, though, just like there's a junior version of a hunting licence.

    I agree and support allowing more medical agencies report a person to NICS. If someone becomes flagged, the licence will be suspended and the licence holder will have to remove the items from their possession. I know that I would be willing to hold my buddy's items if there were a problem he needed to address.

    Also, we should require firearms to be stored in safes rated to prevent theft of the firearm.

    I think all of this is perfectly reasonable, but the Obama Administration isn't heading in that direction. Obama is looking to disarm the public, and that's a danger to all the other rights.

    You couldn't get the NRA to go along with those proposals, much less Congress.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Don't even try to claim "all" constitutional scholars agree with that position when many don't.

    I didn't claim that all Constitutional scholars agree. That's why I said, "Ultimately, it will be up to the courts to decide."


    Also, what constitutes a "constitutional scholar" anyways?

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Nirvana would be no regulations on firearms except for quality control.

    However, I believe that will require a revolution, and I don't think America is to that point.
    Around here buying a gun is like buying toothpaste. Obviously no gun dealer will sell a gun to a guy that is off his rocker, however everyone "assumes" the individual they're selling the gun to is qualified to handle it. It's not exactly a bad assumption either, especially when you're around a bunch of individuals that are responsible gun owners that can vouch for you.

    Gun dealers are extremely responsible people when it comes to guns - they just won't sell anyone a gun, but when they know you they will sell you whatever you want. I suppose my point is that not anyone can just walk into a gun shop and sidestep the background check.

    I don't know I can legally purchase guns, but I do buy, sell and trade them and I really haven't had a problem with that.

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Wow a background check to buy a gun... That doesn't infringe on the Second Amendment.

    Anyone can buy a gun - gun regulations don't work.

    The Brady gun law requiring background checks for gun purchases was signed into law in 1994. When was it ruled to be an infringement of the 2nd Amendment?
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You couldn't get the NRA to go along with those proposals, much less Congress.
    I'm trying to compromise and you aren't being reasonable.

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm trying to compromise and you aren't being reasonable.
    A compromise has to be agreeable to both sides. You get the GOP to sign off on it, and we'll take a look at it!
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I didn't claim that all Constitutional scholars agree. That's why I said, "Ultimately, it will be up to the courts to decide."





    4 years undergrad, 3 in law school, another 2 for the masters of law.
    Yeah, I don't need a decade to interpret the Bill of Rights. It doesn't take that much time to interpret a blunt and simplistic document.

    Politics interprets the Bill of Rights - not the individual - the idiots in government or the Supreme Court will interpret the document anyway they see fit that promotes their agenda.

    The SCOTUS shouldn't even exist.

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Yeah, I don't need a decade to interpret the Bill of Rights. It doesn't take that much time to interpret a blunt and simplistic document.

    Politics interprets the Bill of Rights - not the individual - the idiots in government or the Supreme Court will interpret the document anyway they see fit that promotes their agenda.

    The SCOTUS shouldn't even exist.

    Ah, an anarchist! That explains a lot!
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