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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    What a idiotic post and statement. Gun owners do not endorse breaking the law like that guy in the link. If this is what you think gun owners are like then perhaps you need to step back from this subject because only idiots make such a F****** idiotic comparison.
    Yep they do...

    These prissy anti-Bill of Rights clowns actually believe most gun owners are redneck hillbillies with insecurity issues that look like Larry the Cable Guy.

    They're unable to understand that the Second Amendment and guns are an equilibrium and those who get that idea could be anyone...

    If you ask me, these tyrannical anti-Bill of Rights fools are too stupid to grasp the ideas that made this nation the most free in the history of human civilization and choose to live in lala land or believe their tyrannical opinions mean a damn thing in the face of civil liberties.

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    No not quite.....I present a Clear choice of keeping Government out of the Rights of the people. It is you that presents a false choice. The law is of the people and for the People. The Law was not meant for the Right of Government.

    Illinois already has laws concerning the mentally disturbed being able to purchase or have a fire arm. Or did you fall for that false and misleading fact. Considering other states have such laws too.

    What federal gun laws have been ruled to be an infringement of rights?
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Taking on the Govt. IS breaking the law and that is the excuse for unlimited firepower that I keep hearing. What do they really mean then?
    No it's not..

    The Second Amendment exists to "take on the government."

    The founding fathers gave us the right to keep and bear arms just so we could say "NO", just like the Tenth Amendment exists so states have the right to say "NO."

    The founding fathers basically manifested: "if our government gets too tyrannical or authoritarian take us out with your guns - you need guns to keep us in line."

    Guns aren't legal to hunt for food, they're legal to create a balance between the people and the government.

    Hell, attacking the government is no more treasonous than a patriot attacking the British during the Revolutionary War, or the Confederates fighting the Union during the Civil War.

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What federal gun laws have been ruled to be an infringement of rights?
    There are no federal gun laws yet, however the ones proposed certainly do infringe on the Second Amendment.

    The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower. Besides, even to put limits would require an amendment to the constitution. The idiots in DC and write all the gun laws they'd like however they would be moot because the laws would violate the Second Amendment - hence make the laws moot - unless the SCOTUS approves them, which they cant.

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    No it's not..

    The Second Amendment exists to "take on the government."

    That is your interpretation. Constitutional scholars say the right to bear arms is for a militia regulated by the state and disciplined by Congress.

    Ultimately, it will be up to the courts to decide.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    There are no federal gun laws yet, however the ones proposed certainly do infringe on the Second Amendment.

    The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower. Besides, even to put limits would require an amendment to the constitution. The idiots in DC and write all the gun laws they'd like however they would be moot because the laws would violate the Second Amendment - hence make the laws moot - unless the SCOTUS approves them, which they cant.
    We had a federal AWB for 10 years. And we still have the Brady Gun law still in effect. Were they ever ruled to be an infringement of 2nd Amendment rights?
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We should both enforce existing laws as well as make it more difficult for criminals and the mentally disturbed to buy guns.
    Absolutely. So, let's repeal the Hughes Amendment, and at the same time have the ATF make a "shall issue" licence which will require a 16hr class (including qualification), knowledge test, fingerprinting, and a background check every moth for the entire life of the permit. If you want a class-3 item, no problem, you just have to complete an additional approved class on that kind of firearm, have the endorsement put on your licence, and you're good to go.

    As for ammunition, you would need to present this licence at the point-of-sale. If you reload your own ammunition, then you just need to present your licence when you buy supplies or equipment. We could even make it an offence to possess ammunition if you don't have a licence.

    We would nee a junior version of this licence, though, just like there's a junior version of a hunting licence.

    I agree and support allowing more medical agencies report a person to NICS. If someone becomes flagged, the licence will be suspended and the licence holder will have to remove the items from their possession. I know that I would be willing to hold my buddy's items if there were a problem he needed to address.

    Also, we should require firearms to be stored in safes rated to prevent theft of the firearm.

    I think all of this is perfectly reasonable, but the Obama Administration isn't heading in that direction. Obama is looking to disarm the public, and that's a danger to all the other rights.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That is your interpretation. Constitutional scholars say the right to bear arms is for a militia regulated by the state and disciplined by Congress.

    Ultimately, it will be up to the courts to decide.
    Don't even try to claim "all" constitutional scholars agree with that position when many don't. Besides, our Bill of Rights is extremely blunt and direct. The fact of the matter is progressives hate the Bill of Rights and will do anything to turn it into a paradigm. The truth is that our Bill of Rights is about as simple as a Dr. Seuss book, however the idiots that hate the Bill of Rights want the Cat In The Hat to read like Green Eggs and Ham - same author different stories.

    Also, what constitutes a "constitutional scholar" anyways? I can recite the entire Bill of Rights via memory, does that make me a "scholar?" or do I have to go to law school to understand simplistic and blunt civil liberties to over complicate simple ideas?

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We had a federal AWB for 10 years. And we still have the Brady Gun law still in effect. Were they ever ruled to be an infringement of 2nd Amendment rights?
    A mag limit is like telling a woman she can only have 1 abortion every few years. Now there's very few women who will ever need more than 1 abortion within a 2-3 year time frame, but of those who do, why do you need to deny them?

    There are many more people who need 30rnd mags for perfectly lawful uses then there are women who will need more than one abortion in a 2-3 year time frame.

    A mag limit is also like limiting someone to a sex to marry. If they are otherwise obeying the law and are peaceable people, why do you need to limit their right to marry to only the opposite sex? Likewise, if they are otherwise obeying the law and are peaceable people, why do you need to limit the amount of ammunition a rifle will hold?
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We had a federal AWB for 10 years. And we still have the Brady Gun law still in effect. Were they ever ruled to be an infringement of 2nd Amendment rights?
    Wow a background check to buy a gun... That doesn't infringe on the Second Amendment.

    Anyone can buy a gun - gun regulations don't work.

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