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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight View Post
    How often under what circumstances it goes through people, so as how to minimize how often it happens [in an undesired way].
    Under what circumstances? Like...does the violent offender hold it sideways 'gangsta' style?

    You want to minimize it happening (Me too) then throw violent offenders in prison for a loooooooooooooooooooong long time.

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Those are 'legal' guns and guns you have nothing to fear from. What you have to be concerned about is the number of guns in the hands of criminals and the lack of severe sentencing for criminals and you would have to be foolish or braindead to think that people that have no problem gaining access to cocaine, heroin, marijuana and other forms of illegal drugs would be stunted in their pursuit of illegal firearms from the same means.
    There are times when law-abiding citizens decide to become criminals out of a desire for revenge, greed or power.

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    I didn't see Ms. Giffords' "testimony" but I'm sure it was very touching. I do wonder, however, if she spoke at length to the issue of mental illness and how it consumed the young man who shot at her and killed the others.

    At the risk of sounding uncharitable, I also find it sad to the point of irritating when a "victim" of a crime goes on to make a career out of that victimhood.

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    It is not the lethality of guns that is a problem, it is how many guns there are. The estimated total number of guns held by civilians in the United States is 270,000,000, according to information from here:

    Guns in the United States: Facts, Figures and Firearm Law
    Yep with all of those guns out there the number of murders/intentional injuries committed annually with guns is about 60K (and dropping) so for each gun (assuming a different gun per death/injury) that is one gun crime for every 4500 guns. For the 246,000,000 vehicles in the US there were 36K deaths and 2224K injures so that is one death/injury for every 108 vehicles.

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Under what circumstances? Like…does the violent offender hold it sideways 'gangsta' style?
    Things such as what is the relationship between the “violent offender” and the target. Do they know each other? Are they friends? Are they family? Are they the same person? Where did the firearm come from? What kind of firearm is it? What was the intended purpose of the act? What other contributing factors were involved? To what extent was the firearm a factor at all?
    You want to minimize it happening (Me too) then throw violent offenders in prison for a loooooooooooooooooooong long time.
    You are basing that prescription on what?

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yep with all of those guns out there the number of murders/intentional injuries committed annually with guns is about 60K (and dropping) so for each gun (assuming a different gun per death/injury) that is one gun crime for every 4500 guns. For the 246,000,000 vehicles in the US there were 36K deaths and 2224K injures so that is one death/injury for every 108 vehicles.

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    That website I referred to has gun numbers by country, and we own more guns then anybody.

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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    That website I referred to has gun numbers by country, and we own more guns then anybody.
    We own more cars too. The fact remains that gun crimes are already crimes, what gun control seeks to do is to make simply having the gun into a crime, whether it is ever used to commit a crime or not. To prevent that you now must pay a 2A rights rental fee to the state (in advance). If simply having to present a valid, state issued, photo ID to vote is considered to be a "discriminatory burden" then how is having to take a class, pass a test and pay a large fee then not a "discriminatory burden" to legally carry a handgun?
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    Former congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., who was shot in the head more than two years ago during a mass shooting in a Tucson parking lot, opened the Senate Judiciary Committee's hearing Wednesday with a call to action on gun violence.

    "Speaking is difficult but I need to say something important," she said in a slow, deliberate voice to the dais of senators. "Violence is a big problem, too many children are dying, too many children. We must do something.
    "Americans are counting on you," she said.
    - Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    As I was reading the article I came across a perfect example of what I feel the problem is with the "gun restriction" crowed...

    Giffords husband astronaut Mark Kelly, added this statement paraphrased...

    "Called for legislators to close the loophole that allows private sellers to sell their guns without background checks, strengthen gun trafficking penalties for trafficking, and eliminate limitations on the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to study gun violence.

    He also called for "a careful and civil conversation about the lethality of the firearms we permit to be legally bought and sold.
    "

    What does the center for disease control have to do with gun crime? This should worry people as they are trying to use a completely unrelated government body to manufacture, yes manufacture another reason to strip our 2nd amendment rights.

    The last highlighted statement is just beyond stupid as far as I am concerned. If I am at the point where I am actually aiming a weapon at someone in defense of my life, loved ones or even property I want it to be as lethal as possible if it has come to that point. So only police and government should have "lethal" firearms?

    This whole gun restriction mess is getting out of hand.


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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight View Post
    How often under what circumstances it goes through people, so as how to minimize how often it happens [in an undesired way].
    Again most of us who know anything about guns including military and police already know. So again, the only reason is for an excuse.
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    Re: Senate gun hearing opens with Giffords' call for action

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    Again most of us who know anything about guns including military and police already know. So again, the only reason is for an excuse.
    You ‘know’ based on what data?

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