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    Re: McCain: Failure To Act on Immigration Could Turn Red States Blue

    Hey, I would just try to learn to adapt and improvise if I were you guys. What else can you do?

    The world is going in the other direction from where you want it to go. I don't think you can redirect it's course.

    Maybe take up a new hobby.

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    Re: McCain: Failure To Act on Immigration Could Turn Red States Blue

    John McCain's comments on this issue are an insult not only to conservatives and Republicans who feel strongly about this issue, but also to the millions of Americans with latino heritage. In essense, the man is saying "we should act on immigration now so we can get votes in the future". Totally, in my view, the wrong approach and the wrong reason.

    You work on immigration reform and border security because too many before you, including you McCain, sat by and let it get to the stage where your southern border became a seive and 12 million plus people entered your country and took up residence illegally. You work on immigration because the issue has to be tackled and a strong, new direction is needed to ensure this isn't just a bandaid solution and you ignore enforcement going forward.

    You should know by now, Senator McCain, that if you do the right thing people will follow you and vote for you and if they don't, well, at least you know you did the right thing. Those people who vote for you because you gave them something or bought them off will drop you like a stone the next time someone else flashes a pretty bobble at them, and then you'll just look like a fool again.

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    Re: McCain: Failure To Act on Immigration Could Turn Red States Blue

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    The Republican Party can not win a national election if it continues to ignore the Hispanic vote.
    Only a liberal would so continue to cynically bait Republicans into commiting political suicide.

    You can keep up the politico act with political-agenda soundbites, but it won't change reality.

    The OP analysis is accurate.

    So if, sadly, American elections have descended to where it's all about race-appeasement, then the Republicans have only two choices: commit quick suicide by supporting and helping to pass amnesty and leglaization, obviously, or last a bit longer by opposing such a violation of U.S. citizen trust until being a U.S. citizen becomes totally meaningless.

    However, there is a third option.

    The great citizen sentiment against amnesty and legalization for illegals is being spoken by a great many people who simply didn't vote .. and they didn't vote because both wing-nut parties lacked a centrist appeal, where the great majority of American citizens live.

    Approximately half of the citizens eligible to vote didn't vote this past November for President.

    That is what scares liberal Dems the most!

    Should the great centrist majority suddenly find themselves with a political party that represents them, the liberal Dems are toast too!

    Because the great centrist majority in America is opposed to amnesty and legalization for illegals.

    And if they suddenly find party support, both the conservative Repubs and liberal Dems will be out of business!

    Those commenting at the bottom of the OP linked article reflect the centrist political position on the issue.

    Therefore there most certainly remains enough American citizens in America who are not basing their political decisions on race and who are not prone to succumb to race-baiting.

    There is still hope that, if the Repubs hold out and block amnesty and legalization, that the half of American citizens who didn't vote in the election will find a party voice support .. and squash amnesty and legalization for good.
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    Re: McCain: Failure To Act on Immigration Could Turn Red States Blue

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    You should know by now, Senator McCain, that if you do the right thing people will follow you and vote for you and if they don't, well, at least you know you did the right thing.
    Though I agreed with your entire post, I've singled this part of it out because of how huge it is, not only in expressing the kind of representatives the people, citizens of our country, want and can really respect, but because it presents the kind of representative that can persuade the scores of millions of eligible voters who didn't vote this past November to lose their jading and become part of the American political process.

    Huge, huge, huge!
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    Re: McCain: Failure To Act on Immigration Could Turn Red States Blue

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    The Republican Party can not win a national election if it continues to ignore the Hispanic vote.
    What makes you think that a "bipartisan" agreement will switch anyone's vote from demorat to republicant? Explain that please.
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    Re: McCain: Failure To Act on Immigration Could Turn Red States Blue

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    McCain is anything but Libertarian....I could care LESS what he CLAIMS to be...his voting record and words disqualify him from being Libertarian
    Yes, despite what he claims to be, McCain has always been a strange waffling hodge-podge .. and I've wondered what it is that Arizonians see in him, like maybe his survivalist demeanor or something.
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    Re: McCain: Failure To Act on Immigration Could Turn Red States Blue

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Yes, despite what he claims to be, McCain has always been a strange waffling hodge-podge .. and I've wondered what it is that Arizonians see in him, like maybe his survivalist demeanor or something.
    I don't understand a lot about Arizona in politics...you got that batsh*t crazy sheriff running around putting people in pink jump suits, John McCain, and a lot of other situations.

    McCain was liked for his "Maverick" identity. He lost that when he ran for president.

    His stances on foreign policy make him way too far right to be Libertarian.
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    Re: McCain: Failure To Act on Immigration Could Turn Red States Blue

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Do you have any meaningful comments that evidence your own knowledge construct?
    Beyond the rock solid and entirely relevant one that a small collection of self-selected Internet ranters on some given website hardly works as a representative sampling of the whole country (“citizens” only, or otherwise), which you then dismissed out of hand? Yes I do.

    But I thought I’d start with that one because as I said I found it the funniest. Your post was jam packed with cluelessness, so baby steps seemed in order!

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    Re: McCain: Failure To Act on Immigration Could Turn Red States Blue

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    McCain: Failure to act on immigration could turn red states blue | The Ticket - Yahoo! News
    Is McCain smokin' something?

    Or is vote-pandering such a knee-jerk behavior for a politician that they're simply just predisposed to dumbing-down and resultant party suicide?!

    McCain could not be more wrong than if he chose someone like, oh, Sarah Palin as a running mate!

    Everyone knows that it's the liberal Dems who've been championing amnesty and legalization for the 20 million trespassing, identity-forging, and jobs/classroom/other-resource stealing illegals all these years.

    It's the liberal Dems who are the ones who spin situations all out of reason, casting criminal illegals as "downtrodden", "disaffected", and other "minority interests abandoned by the conservative status-quo Repubs".

    The illegals know it's the liberal Dems who've been their champions, and the illegals, 75% of whom are of Hispanic-Latino descent, know that those of their race who are in positions of authority in America are predominantly of the liberal Dems.

    Here McCain panders to needing to be relevant to Hispanics, as if all American politics nowadays is about race-appeasement rather than the specific geopolitical-socioeconomic details of a particular issue and what's in the best interest of American citizens.

    But his pander is meaningless, too little way too late, as the illegals know full well that they are predominantly low-income wage workers, the darlings of the liberal Dems who stump for them, and that the Repubs are and will remain the champions of business owners/management.

    McCain must think illegals are stupid.

    But it's McCain whose shed tools aren't the sharpest on this one, obviously.

    Some say that the illegals, thanks to 75% of them being Hispanic-Latino, are predominantly Catholic, and that the Christian right of the conservative Repubs will draw a "religious alliance" together between Protestant fundamentalists and Catholics, thus compelling via guilt a social alliance that will garner Republicans votes.

    But that's simply erroneous thinking.

    The economic appeal of the liberal Dems will greatly outweigh the religious appeal of the conservative Repubs, as all the liberal Dems have to do is evidence their existent support of Catholicism! It's that simple for them. The liberal Dems already have the illegals won on economic matters by a landslide. A little effort to bring their support of Catholicism to the media's attention is all it will take to cement former-illegals votes in with the liberal Dems.

    And, of course, 25% of illegals are from Asia, Europe, Africa, etc. and their interests are purely economic, not the least concerned about a "religious alliance". They belong to the liberal Dems already; a done deal.

    Some also say that the 75% of illegals who are Hispanic-Latino are also Catholic, so they will be opposed to abortion on demand and will thus choose the pro-life conservative Repubs over the liberal pro-choice Dems.

    But recent polls show that, what with the growing fame of the 35-year-old hard-science consensus among anthropology, phylogeny, taxonomy, biology, genetics-DNA, organism-life, embryonics, etc. that from conception on the entity growing inside the woman is most certainly a living human, alive as a live can be, more people, if given a choice just between pro-life and pro-choice, now are pro-life and by a considerably larger margin than that by which Obama won reelection. Clearly, in time, both parties will be supporting making abortion safe, legal and rare, that's right, including the liberal Dems. So abortion as an issue to draw former-illegals votes to the conservative Repubs is a non-starter .. and, don't forget that 25% of illegals aren't wooable in this manner, and are only concerned with the economics of the matter.

    Abortion is meaningless in this matter .. and besides, isn't McCain pro-choice?! Again, McCain's a rather poor spokesperson-choice in the matter .. not to mention he's from Arizona, you remember Arizona, with their search-and-apprehend-all-illegals law? Illegals aren't gonna trust a word he says!

    No, McCain really does have it all backasswards: amnesty and legalization will simply put the Repubs out of business!

    It really is a no-brainer.

    But the compulsion to pander is so much a part of a politician's warp and woof that overrides their common sense .. and that can only account for why D.C. right now is behaving so egregiously clueless with this amnesty and legalization movement they're compelled to ..

    .. Because when you read the reader commentary at the bottom of the linked article, it's like 10 to 1 or greater opposed to amnesty and legalization!

    Yes, just read the reader comments -- that's the true story, the true public U.S. citizen sentiment on amnesty and legalization for multi-criminal illegals ..

    .. And so if amnesty and legalization occurs, there will be hell to pay in D.C., for certain!
    McRino is just another piece of **** pro-illegal ass kisser who would sell out his own country if it meant he could stay in power longer.


    Personally if I was an American of Hispanic decent I would thoroughly pissed off at the assumption by pro-illegal scum who try to label all Hispanics and being for illegal immigration.Its like saying all blacks love chicken,all jews are greedy, white people have flat bottoms or some other racial stereotype.
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    Re: McCain: Failure To Act on Immigration Could Turn Red States Blue

    Two things about this thread crack me up. First, that O-guy calls himself a centrist. Second, that the priority for so many is simply to keep their party in power, not to take the country in the correct direction, whatever that direction is. The characterization is that moves to find a legal place for illegal immigrants are simply an attempt to shift the balance of power farther towards Democrats. The discussion is NOT about whether or not it is the right thing to do. It is only about which party is more able to dominate the government. Shouldn't a move like this, and indeed political ideologies, be discussed based on their merits, rather than their use in power grabs?
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