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Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

Well you're just so much more superior than the rest of us.

Not everyone. Let's not slide into absolutism.

I don't even know that it's true, I'm just sick of the reflexive defense of Israel. If they nuked New York, it wouldn't even phase these guys.

What I find interesting is the silly evidence that some will qualify as honest work and perhaps uncovers genocide while claiming that Powell was dishonest. I'm also interested to see if we can get a China OCP apologist in here to offer apology given (absurdly enough, granted) that the grand accusations are true.

Personally, I find it more likely that the TV show intentionally created hype, was sensationalist, rating oriented, and the couple quotes and stats from no one knows where are not really any kind of reliable indication of State (or group) genocide. We can call that an educated hunch.
 
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Well you're just so much more superior than the rest of us.

I don't even know that it's true, I'm just sick of the reflexive defense of Israel. If they nuked New York, it wouldn't even phase these guys.

They very nearly already did on 9/11, according to some. I do admit that I do reflexively defend Israel against those claims.
 
Alright, let's look at your comment again;



What or who specifically were you reacting to, in this thread, that prompted that post if it was not the people who didn't immediately accept the story as true?

It was the "It's not even sterilization." crowd and digsbe's post that was in response to Spanky saying that the official report will be "white washed".

Yeah, and the media assertion that Israel sterilized 100,000 without their consent and them knowing based off of media sources is entirely accurate and should be accepted :roll:

People with a bias against Israel or a desire to believe that they are an evil nation will accept anything from any source that is critical of the nation without digging any deeper and trying to find facts without the spin associated with it.
 
I didn't pay attention to the sterilization side debate. Did we decide that women on birth control are sterilized?
 
I didn't pay attention to the sterilization side debate. Did we decide that women on birth control are sterilized?

It would depend on the birth control method I believe.
 
It was the "It's not even sterilization." crowd and digsbe's post that was in response to Spanky saying that the official report will be "white washed".

I must be tired. I don't recall asking what's Digs' post was in response to. Given that he quoted who he was responding to, there wasn't really much mystery to it. :lol:
 
I must be tired. I don't recall asking what's Digs' post was in response to. Given that he quoted who he was responding to, there wasn't really much mystery to it. :lol:

I was giving his response proper context so people wouldn't think he brought that up out of nowhere. I was being fair.

Pretty scandalous, huh? :lol:
 
It would depend on the birth control method I believe.

Temporary stuff, like the pill, a shot every three months or the thing in the arm that lasts for 6 months or a year.
 
Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent

What these women really need is an education on why it is unhealthy for them not only financially but health wise to birth so many children, and they need to be educated not to be afraid of birth control too.

You need to be educated on birth control. Depo provera is the last contraceptive a doctor will suggest because if its side effects.
 
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Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent

Noooo, I doubt that. Maybe you just got caught up in the hype of an outrageous TV show story and shoulda waited at least until CNN or BBC picked it up? It could happen to anyone. Well, not me, but you get the point.

Why would one wait for the sensationalism and undetailed accounts of foreign news orgs when I could read respected local papers like Times of Israel and Hareetz?
 
...I'm just sick of the reflexive defense of Israel. If they nuked New York, it wouldn't even phase these guys.

Yes, did you notice too. Israel does seem to benefit a reflexive defense from USA no matter what they do. Why is that so I wonder?

Though I quoted you, the question is open to anyone of course.
 
Re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent

Why would one wait for the sensationalism and undetailed accounts of foreign news orgs when I could read respected local papers like Times of Israel and Hareetz?

No sensationalism here:

While Gamzo stopped short of admitting any wrongdoing by the ministry, he did acknowledge the allegation that many women were given shots of the drug without fully understanding its effects... Last week, Gamzo wrote to the HMOs that, without “taking a position or determining any facts based on the allegations,” he instructed that doctors not renew Depo-Provera prescriptions for either Ethiopian women or those of any other nationality “if there is any concern that they do not understand the implications of the treatment.”
Israel changes birth-control policy for Ethiopian immigrants | The Times of Israel

Nor here:

Gamzu’s letter instructs all gynecologists in the HMOs "not to renew prescriptions for Depo-Provera for women of Ethiopian origin if for any reason there is concern that they might not understand the ramifications of the treatment.”
Israel admits Ethiopian women were given birth control shots Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper


See the headlines? Just the facts.
 
Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283]

These cites have already offered in the string. So why wait for CNN or BBC, when the local media is bound to be more thorough?
 
These cites have already offered in the string. So why wait for CNN or BBC, when the local media is bound to be more thorough?

To filter the BS out of headlines like this:

Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent - Middle East - World - The Independent

Granted, the two articles you mentioned will do to note of how minor the TV story is.


From the OP article:

Israel has admitted for the first time that it has been giving Ethiopian Jewish immigrants birth-control injections, often without their knowledge or consent.

The government had previously denied the practice but the Israeli Health Ministry’s director-general has now ordered gynaecologists to stop administering the drugs.

Bold false.
 
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I posted an article from Haaretz on the second page. Again, no one is claiming anything conclusive, but the outright denials come off lacking

Why, because there is evidence to suggest genocide?
 
Why, because there is evidence to suggest genocide?

No, there is evidence of women of a certain ethnic background being coerced into taking contraceptives. Not sure what your fixation on genocide is, maybe it's an intent to downplay what possibly might have happened by misrepresenting the views of those that disagree with you? If so, seems rather unnecessary
 
No, there is evidence of women of a certain ethnic background being coerced into taking contraceptives. Not sure what your fixation on genocide is, maybe it's an intent to downplay what possibly might have happened by misrepresenting the views of those that disagree with you? If so, seems rather unnecessary

If this happened to a couple women, and that's the end of the allegations - it's not newsworthy. If it is a couple of isolated events where family planning advisors were a bit overzealous (if I might), that happens in America to Americans and everywhere else - that's not news.

Without the grand accusation (institutionalized discrimination and deception for sterilization) this story is mundane local news at most.
 
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If this happened to a couple women, and that's the end of the allegations - it's not newsworthy. If it is a couple of isolated events where family planning advisors were a bit overzealous (if I might), that happens in America to Americans and everywhere else - that's not news.

Without the grand accusation (institutionalized discrimination and deception for sterilization) this story is mundane local news at most.

Again, there is nothing to even remoty support the idea it would be limited to the women interviewed.
 
Again, there is nothing to even remoty support the idea it would be solely limited to the women interviewed.

So, it IS a wider conspiracy!
 
So, it IS a wider conspiracy!

Possibly. Like I said, I don't know. What I do know is that your contrived attempts to explain the entire situation away fall pretty flat because YOU don't know either

Lol...
 
Possibly. Like I said, I don't know. What I do know is that your contrived attempts to explain the entire situation fall pretty flat because YOU don't know either

Lol...

Well, if it's not a wider conspiracy then there is no story and a few members got pretty excited about nothing.
 
I'm SO CONFUSED! A thread about Israel and the Middle East, with a title link like "Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent-Middle East". In the "Breaking News" section? And it is STILL HERE? As pointed out in #75, it violates this so called rule?
http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news-mainstream-media/81020-new-rule-breaking-news-forums.html#post1058970901
This is not the place to discuss Israel and Palestine. Israel and Palestine are in the Middle East and there is a specific forum for this discussion. Any mention of Israel and/or Palestine in the any of the Breaking News Forums will result in a B/F/T infraction. This new rule is firm and there will be no "wiggle room" in terms of I/P being discussed in any forum other than the ME Forum.

Now aside from all of that, it was started by a MOD and has had enjoyed multiple post from numerous MODS?

Jesus.................:doh
 
in my opinion ,israel needs to increase its population as a result of being located in a dangerous region surrounded by its enemies. l dont like believing in every garbage l have read on the internet like some haters .if it is a true news ,we must agree what they are doing is not much different from nazi medical practices .
 
in my opinion ,israel needs to increase its population as a result of being located in a dangerous region surrounded by its enemies. l dont like believing in every garbage l have read on the internet like some haters .if it is a true news ,we must agree what they are doing is not much different from nazi medical practices .


Nah, it sounds much closer to Margret Sanger.
 
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