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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    One does not exclude the other. There are people willing to believe or defend anything when it comes to Israel, good or bad.
    I know.

    "The Israeli government has tacitly acknowledged injecting Ethiopian women immigrating to Israel with a long-acting contraceptive without their knowledge, telling them they couldn't come into the country if they didn't take the shot, which the women thought was a vaccination."

    Who are you going to believe, the State of Israel or you're lying eyes?

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    They're not accusations anymore, the State of Israel has admitted to it.

    Am I in an alternate universe?

    Where's Walternate?



    Really?

    Someone saying it is a tacit admission does not qualify as an admission.

    Please tell me you knew that.

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    You're just repeating yourself.
    When I am faced with a flat out denial of the facts, all I can do is repeat the facts. The fact of the matter is that sterilization, by definition, includes any and all things which render a person incapable of reproducing. The definition does not make note of a time-frame for this incapacity.

    You can cite people misusing the word to your heart's content and it will not change that reality.

    Why are you "aheming" me about something that makes no difference to me whatsoever?
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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    It appears we now have another tier in the argument.

    "Do you honestly believe darkies would be that dumb?"
    It would have to be a very complete, air tight, conspiracy for them to pull it off without a SINGLE patient asking questions and figuring out what's going on. Not a SINGLE employee to whistle-blow. Not an ounce of patient awareness or the slightest bit of morals to be found amoung thousands in the conspiracy.


    Or, it is as I explained. What I explained is simply how I would interpret such data, and I conduct sociological research including various kinds of interviews and such. I would not jump to the conclusion of "State Conspiracy!" with my obvious explanation staring me in the face. And, you know what, that researcher (probably) knows this as well and just said "screw it, I'm gonna get my 15".

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Birth control is not sterilization.
    Not all forms are. Condoms aren't, for example.

    Only the forms of BC which render a person infertile are sterilization.
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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post



    Really?

    Someone saying it is a tacit admission does not qualify as an admission.

    Please tell me you knew that.
    ANOTHER TIER!

    The State of Israel is a bunch of anti-semites!

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It was not an accusation of racism. It was an accusation that African immigrants are too uninformed to find out what shots they take and what those shots do. Like they would not ask anyone anything. Like "oh, you know their easily fooled, like children!". No, dude. They find out what their doctors give them, they ask questions.
    right, you're just accusing me of thinking Africans are stupid, because it's possible to deceive people EVEN when they ask questions... Yes, of course that isn't some pathetic attempt to toss out racism charges, what's next, comparing my argument to one equating Israel to the Nazi, even though I already pointed out how stupid such a comparison was?





    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That would be a major crime, committed apparently by the state. A crime of, dare I say, Hitler proportions.
    Oh, lawdy, look at that~!!! I was right and you went for the cheap hitler comparison. And no, I made clear the example I was citing was people working independent of the state



    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Lots of crazy crap has happened. The question is, should we indict Israel of forced, unknown, sterilization of a minority population based on 30 interviews by one researcher? I say that's stupid. I say my explanation is obvious, the researcher knew it and the researcher went for 15 minutes on what constitutes a small part of a thesis (if that) and wild (media tasty) conclusions based on that.
    I never endorsed "indicting" Israel. What I did was point out that things like this are not totally unknown in the world and it shouldn't be simply dismissed. You, on the other hand, seem intent on believing something like this could "never" happen.

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Why, then, is it just more "sad" to defend Israel than it is to immediately believe the worst about them?
    You are making an irrelevant comparison. Thor did not say that it was more "sad", only that it was sad.
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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Their eggs are still capable of being fertilized.
    So? That's true of a woman with a tubal ligation as well.
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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    When I am faced with a flat out denial of the facts, all I can do is repeat the facts. The fact of the matter is that sterilization, by definition, includes any and all things which render a person incapable of reproducing. The definition does not make note of a time-frame for this incapacity.

    You can cite people misusing the word to your heart's content and it will not change that reality.
    DISHONEST short quote by Tucker, what else is new.
    Why?
    Because a full quote showed/elaborated Why he is wrong.
    again:
    Quote Originally Posted by mbig in full, Truncated by Tucker to avoid his embarrasment
    You're just repeating yourself.
    I showed this was wrong, that Sterilization is a Permanent surgical procedure and Depo Provera, temporary chemical Birth Control.

    If it was involuntarily given, it was wrong, in either case.
    But they are two DIFFERENT Cases.
    The women were Not sterilized and sterilization is not temporary.
    Simple Misuse.

    Unfortunately and Obstinately repeated.
    and no doubt a 3rd contortion is coming, but it will not be responded to.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker
    Why are you "aheming" me about something that makes no difference to me whatsoever?
    The "ahem" was to the board in general
    I suggest you stick to continuing to try to Dishonestly deal with the part that was directed to you. Or better yet, sincerely deal with it. Admit Sterlization is permanent, and Depo isn't.
    Last edited by mbig; 01-29-13 at 04:21 PM.
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