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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    It's pretty sad how people refuse to believe anything negative about the Israeli government. As if their government was any more honest than any other government.
    Right because there aren't any people out there that are eager to believe every conspiracy theory about Israel, otherwise I'm sure you'd be equally sad about that.

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    This story reaks of antisemtism....... Israel wants Jews to come to Israel.. they are actively solicting Etheopian Jews to come to Israel...
    So let me summarize the argument so far...

    First there was "It's A LIE put out by anti-Semitics!"

    Then "Okay they did it, but it wasn't STERILIZATION!"

    Followed by "Okay it WAS sterilization, but it wasn't without their consent!"

    Again "Okay, they just told them it was a "morning sickness vaccine", but seriously, who would believe that?"

    To "It wasn't a policy of the State of Israel!".

    Going to "Okay, it was the Health Ministry of the State of Israel, but was done by a bunch of whackos in the MHI!"

    Ending up in the full circle.."You're just and anti-semite!"

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    1)well, no one said anything about "stupid africans" and rather resent the needless, though vague, accusation of racism
    It was not an accusation of racism. It was an accusation that African immigrants are too uninformed to find out what shots they take and what those shots do. Like they would not ask anyone anything. Like "oh, you know their easily fooled, like children!". No, dude. They find out what their doctors give them, they ask questions.

    2)people can ask questions, but short of doing a chemical analysis, it seems one could still be deceived in such circumstances.
    That would be a major crime, committed apparently by the state. A crime of, dare I say, Hitler proportions.

    people have been given improper injections purposely in the US before, at hospitals that are likely much more organized than these camps. Now, am I saying it happened? No, I was actually pretty clear that it was a possible scenario that belonged with the others you listed.
    Lots of crazy crap has happened. The question is, should we indict Israel of forced, unknown, sterilization of a minority population based on 30 interviews by one researcher? I say that's stupid. I say my explanation is obvious, the researcher knew it and the researcher went for 15 minutes on what constitutes a small part of a thesis (if that) and wild (media tasty) conclusions based on that.

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Right because there aren't any people out there that are eager to believe every conspiracy theory about Israel, otherwise I'm sure you'd be equally sad about that.
    One does not exclude the other. There are people willing to believe or defend anything when it comes to Israel, good or bad.
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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Forms of birth control which render a person infertile are forms of sterilization, by the definition of the word sterilization.
    It doesn't matter how many people or organizations use the word incorrectly. If used , it includes chemical sterilization methods which are temporary.
    You're just repeating yourself.
    I showed this was wrong, that Sterilization is a Permanent surgical procedure and Depo Provera, temporary chemical Birth Control.

    If it was involuntarily given, it was wrong, in either case.
    But they are two DIFFERENT Cases.
    The women were Not sterilized and sterilization is not temporary.
    Simple Misuse.

    Unfortunately and Obstinately repeated.
    and no doubt a 3rd contortion is coming, but it will not be responded to.

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    your over reaction to this story tells me all I need to know about you.... amazing how we find out so much...

    In Saudi Arabia they just kill women ...Im sure you are enraged over that..
    Not to dilute your nice emotional rant with actual logic, but just because another country does inappropriate(to put it mildly) things does not in any vway make these allegations, if true, any less inappropriate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Uh oh Megyn...your vagina witchcraft is about ready to be exposed.

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It was not an accusation of racism. It was an accusation that African immigrants are too uninformed to find out what shots they take and what those shots do. Like they would not ask anyone anything. Like "oh, you know their easily fooled, like children!". No, dude. They find out what their doctors give them, they ask questions.



    That would be a major crime, committed apparently by the state. A crime of, dare I say, Hitler proportions.



    Lots of crazy crap has happened. The question is, should we indict Israel of forced, unknown, sterilization of a minority population based on 30 interviews by one researcher? I say that's stupid. I say my explanation is obvious, the researcher knew it and the researcher went for 15 minutes on what constitutes a small part of a thesis.
    It appears we now have another tier in the argument.

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Which is why I cited a medical dictionary ...

    did the process leave them "unable to produce children"? Yes, on a temporary basis. Hence "temporary sterilization".

    Not sure how this really speaks to the issue though

    That is not sterilization.
    You are purposely using it wrongly.
    The correct terminology is "contraceptive".

    They are not sterile. Their eggs are still capable of being fertilized.


    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    It's pretty sad how people refuse to believe anything negative about the Israeli government. As if their government was any more honest than any other government.
    That isn't the case here.
    What is obvious is that some parties will use what ever it is to attack Israel over unconfirmed information.
    Information that is purposely stated in negative ways to bring about resentment.

    Frankly I do not care if it is true, as I see every country as having the "right " to such if it chooses.
    What I do care about is the factuality of the information, which the report is clearly lacking. Which didn't stop the haters from glomming onto it. It seldomly does.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Exactly. The issue is not whether or not there was sterilization, as all parties seem to agree that sterilization occurred. The issue is whether or not the sterilization was done without the informed consent of those who were sterilized.
    Birth control is not sterilization.
    The issue seems to be whether or not the "birth control" was done with informed consent.


    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    The difference is the assertion it was "long lasting". I'd like to know how long.
    Ah! I see!
    Instead of becoming familiar with what was reported, by reading, you decided to go off the deep end with the accusations. e.g.: Darky

    "... We took it every three months. ..."

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    One does not exclude the other. There are people willing to believe or defend anything when it comes to Israel, good or bad.
    Why, then, is it just more "sad" to defend Israel than it is to immediately believe the worst about them?

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Right because there aren't any people out there that are eager to believe every conspiracy theory about Israel, otherwise I'm sure you'd be equally sad about that.
    Sure, there are MEtards that believe and propagate conspiracies about Israel. That's another thread.

    Do you believe that the Israeli government is uniquely above reproach?
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