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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    Quite seriously as I am following this thread and this argument about "sterilization" I am struck at the abject stupidity of it. Good God of course you come to an internet debate forum like this to find someone like Tucker just repeating stupid ad infinitum. You heard it here first folks, where else but the internet? Women who use birth control are "sterilized"! In fact the meaning of the word sterilization has been "sterilized" so as to conform to Tucker's boatload of a stupid argument. Over and over. Seriously, his argument is on the bleeding edge of stupid. I mean it literally takes stupid to new heights of, yip you guessed it, stupidity. Ah the internet.


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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    And had you bothered to follow along to those "see also" terms, you would have seen them defined as contraceptive measures, not sterilizations.
    Now now. Stop lying. It's one thing to be utterly incapable of comprehending what you read. That's not really your fault.

    But outright dishonesty like that, well that's a different story.
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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    Quite seriously as I am following this thread and this argument about "sterilization" I am struck at the abject stupidity of it. Good God of course you come to an internet debate forum like this to find someone like Tucker just repeating stupid ad infinitum. You heard it here first folks, where else but the internet? Women who use birth control are "sterilized"! In fact the meaning of the word sterilization has been "sterilized" so as to conform to Tucker's boatload of a stupid argument. Over and over. Seriously, his argument is on the bleeding edge of stupid. I mean it literally takes stupid to new heights of, yip you guessed it, stupidity. Ah the internet.
    I suppose since you have demonstrated the astounding capacity to put the word stupid in bold (your mother must be so proud) you should be able to present something, oh, I don't know, not retarded that can disprove the dictionary definition of the word. I mean, the guy you have allied with has decided that tubal ligation isn't sterilization because... well... because... that was pretty much his astoundingly intelligent argument when you get right down to it. I'm sure you have something better, though. Like, perhaps, "because I said so", or "because it's like totally not what the dictionary says it is man because like, well, you're stupid".

    Please, amaze us with your brilliance.
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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I suppose since you have demonstrated the astounding capacity to put the word stupid in bold (your mother must be so proud) you should be able to present something, oh, I don't know, not retarded that can disprove the dictionary definition of the word. I mean, the guy you have allied with has decided that tubal ligation isn't sterilization because... well... because... that was pretty much his astoundingly intelligent argument when you get right down to it. I'm sure you have something better, though. Like, perhaps, "because I said so", or "because it's like totally not what the dictionary says it is man because like, well, you're stupid".

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    Just to get this straight.

    Is it your position that women who take birth control pills are 'sterilizing' themselves?

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Just to get this straight.

    Is it your position that women who take birth control pills are 'sterilizing' themselves?
    They are temporarily sterilizing themselves, yes. I do not place the negative connotation on the word that others want to.
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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    This is damned wrong.

    This appears to be the problem from Israel's POV.


    If that's the case then they should have another look at the Law of Return, but the response is certainly not to sterilize women.
    I agree with you statement, except the word "sterilize". There were not sterilized.
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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I agree with you statement, except the word "sterilize". There were not sterilized.
    Yes, I realized that later and apologized for jumping the gun.

    I should have known better.

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    They are temporarily sterilizing themselves, yes. I do not place the negative connotation on the word that others want to.
    Sterilization is intended to be permanent, birth control is not. Birth control, as in pills or condoms, is a temporary measure against pregnancy. There is no such thing as anyone temporarily sterilizing themselves because they would still not be sterile.

    There is no negative or positive connotation on the word. You are just using it incorrectly. Ask anyone in the health profession and they will clarify it for you.

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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Sterilization is intended to be permanent, birth control is not. Birth control, as in pills or condoms, is a temporary measure against pregnancy. There is no such thing as anyone temporarily sterilizing themselves because they would still not be sterile.

    There is no negative or positive connotation on the word. You are just using it incorrectly. Ask anyone in the health profession and they will clarify it for you.
    The actual definition of the word disagrees with the colloquial usage by health professionals.

    Here's the real newsflash for everyone who thinks that the colloquial use of the word by health professionals is the end all and be all of the discussion: The word was not created by them. It was adopted by them. It does not matter if they like to use it solely to describe permanent sterilization. The word is still very applicable to temporary sterilization techniques, techniques such as birth control methods which work by making a person incapable of reproduction.

    There are basically three types of birth control classes:

    1. Methods which prevent the intermingling of gametes (examples: condoms, Diaphram)
    2. Methods which prevent the fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus (Example: IUD)
    3. Methods which render the person incapable of reproducing (Examples: hormone treatments like "the pill", vasectomies, Tubal Ligation)

    The third type are the one's which are "sterilization techniques". Health professionals have decided to only call the permanent techniques of this type "sterilization", but that does not negate the fact that they are ALL sterilization techniques.
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    re: Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent [W:283,569]

    If a piece of surgical equipment is sterilized, does that last forever?
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